What constitutes competition?

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  1. drop bear

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    Yeah. But listening to some joko willnik podcasts he also advocated being ok with dying.
     
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    Me vs you. You vs him. Him vs me. Whatever. If two people are trying to hit each other and not get hit, it's competition.

    Seems simple enough to me.
     
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    Then would you consider any sparring match a competition? Or is there a separate level for competition?
     
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    Not sure who that is, but a quick google states that he's a navy seal. Is that idea (being ok with dying) about being in the military, or about martial arts?
     
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    So if I view a sparring match as something that I do not want to lose, say I really don't like the other MAist's attitude, or as a black belt it would hurt my pride to lose to a blue belt, is it the same as a competition?
     
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    So basically, to you whether or not it's a competition is less important, the more important thing is whether or not you train up to KO level consistently? But streetfighting also wouldn't count, since it's generally not a full fight?

    In your opinion then, which would be more effective, getting in street fights occasionally, or training a style with medium-level sparring?
     
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    not quite the same. It only works the other way. If you enter a competition and have no intention of competing, it may as well be sparring. And its disrespectful and a waste of everyone's time, includong your own.
     
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    Whats lost then, if you intend to win sparring, and would consider it a huge loss of pride to lose?
     
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    The problem is if you lose once, lose twice, ... , you may keep losing. You may become a loser for the rest of your life.

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    My normal working definition has two parts:
    • Competition. Two people trying to beat each other under some agreed limitation or rule set.
    • Formal Competition. A subset of the same, explicitly organized by some body and set up with the intent of one or more “winners”.
    There are likely differences, though some are not inherent (better competitors in the latter) and others vary more by individual (impact of an audience).
     
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    Not caring about losing isn’t the same thing as not caring about winning. I’ve never minded losing the same way I enjoy winning. In anything.
     
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    I meant whats the difference between competition and sparring, if either way I very much don't want to lose. I agree, I have no desire to continuously lose.
     
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    I just wrote a long reply, taking each point from your first post and offering my two cents.....and my laptop ate the f'n thing. F!

    I'll try later.
     
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    There would essentially be a points system to valid competition.

    So yeah you would say competition is one thing. But then you would qualify it.

    So if I win the super exclusive my own backyard mma title. It would not be as legitimate as a boxer who wins against a national competition.
     
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    Competition has the expectation that you will put winning first and safety second. Sort of. There is a gray area.
     
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    Of course. Unless you aren't trying to hit and not get hit.

    That seems like it wouldn't make for very good training though wouldn't you say?
     
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    Agree, but I don't think I never went into a match already saying it would be OK to lose. If the result was losing and I was OK with my performance then I was OK with losing. If you are thinking that way before the match started, that has to take away some of the mental edge. It could be that day where the better physical opponent was beaten mentally.
     
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    - sparring, you don't mind to lose because you try to develop new skill.
    - competition, you don't want to lose because you try to test your door guarding skill (bread and butter skill).

    This is why the sparring/wrestling won't count for your official record. Only the open tournament record will be counted as your official record.
     

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