bydand
Senior Master
First things first. This is NOT a thread intended to compare the arts, bash each other, or discuss which is "Better". I want to see if practitioners on both sides can find some common ground in order to mend some of the fences and bridges that have been torched and/or damaged the past few years. There have been very heated discussions in the past on every forum I have been to, most of which erupted into flame wars. Here on MT there have been discussions/disagreements about the differences. I want to see some healing here, and if there ever was an online forum and people that can accomplish this; it is Martial Talk.
I started in a Bujinkan school. Granted the Instructors were closely tied to SKH and so we would naturally have a tendancy to lean toward his teaching style anyway. When he formed the Quest Centers and went with a new name for the art taught I figured it would cause problems, never did I think it would extend this far down the timeline. I know everybody who studies any variant of Ninjutsu tends to be a bit defensive. How could we not really? "Ninja's" and their various incantations are everywhere basicly slamming the name and image of the arts we love into the ground with just stupid claims and actions. We know who they are, no need to name them or discuss them. That would be the major similarity I would think. The desire to "defend and protect" the art we have chosen. Others I can see, in no particular order I might add, are: Movement is tops, not strength; Subtlties<sp?> can make or break a technique; Pride in our art; Tendency to not discuss "what" we train in to outsiders due to misunderstanding associated with the arts; Etc... Please fill out my list with what you can see as what is common ground between these arts. Also, please do not knock someone elses position on what they find to be common, even if it does seem strange or even downright wrong to us. Who knows, for their particular school, they may do things closer in one area than other schools do.
Another thing, Could we just call it to-Shin Do? I have used the "TSD" abbreveation before, and among practioners it makes sense, but to others the question arises "What are they talking about Tang-Soo Do for?" I know I had to remind myself of that many times.
I started in a Bujinkan school. Granted the Instructors were closely tied to SKH and so we would naturally have a tendancy to lean toward his teaching style anyway. When he formed the Quest Centers and went with a new name for the art taught I figured it would cause problems, never did I think it would extend this far down the timeline. I know everybody who studies any variant of Ninjutsu tends to be a bit defensive. How could we not really? "Ninja's" and their various incantations are everywhere basicly slamming the name and image of the arts we love into the ground with just stupid claims and actions. We know who they are, no need to name them or discuss them. That would be the major similarity I would think. The desire to "defend and protect" the art we have chosen. Others I can see, in no particular order I might add, are: Movement is tops, not strength; Subtlties<sp?> can make or break a technique; Pride in our art; Tendency to not discuss "what" we train in to outsiders due to misunderstanding associated with the arts; Etc... Please fill out my list with what you can see as what is common ground between these arts. Also, please do not knock someone elses position on what they find to be common, even if it does seem strange or even downright wrong to us. Who knows, for their particular school, they may do things closer in one area than other schools do.
Another thing, Could we just call it to-Shin Do? I have used the "TSD" abbreveation before, and among practioners it makes sense, but to others the question arises "What are they talking about Tang-Soo Do for?" I know I had to remind myself of that many times.