An assumption. Another assumption Another assumption You start to make a good point here. I teach people to deliver the punch "properly" for the drill. So, yes, they have actually delivered that technique. Not as an actual attack in some (not all - that's where your assumption fails), because it's not something that fits into our strategy. Again, you equate one type of drill with the entirety of training, and heap in a bunch of assumptions. As long as you do that, I don't see any chance for either of us to learn anything from this interchange. And you, when you first learned to sprawl against a shoot, learned to stop someone who is being forced to shoot badly, in that he wasn't bringing his best game, and was feeding what the drill called for. An over-committed punch, using those mechanics, is not so different. It presents different weight, and sometimes and over-reach (which creates the over-commitment). You'd understand better if you stopped assuming you know the drill and actually try to understand it. But you are more concerned with being right than being accurate, more concerned with showing something wrong with Aikido (any branch of it will do fine for you), than with sharing information. You're sparring against someone, trying to win, when you're not in a contest. You're wasting your time and mine.