Tito Ortiz Vs. Demetrious Johnson

Discussion in 'MMA' started by kempodisciple, Mar 10, 2018.

  1. kempodisciple

    kempodisciple MT Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    4,668
    Likes Received:
    1,231
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    New York
  2. Headhunter

    Headhunter Senior Master

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2016
    Messages:
    3,437
    Likes Received:
    1,208
    Trophy Points:
    253
    DJ no doubt. The most well rounded guy in all of mma can ko you or submit you or go the distance at a high pace and a genuine nice and humble guy whereas Tito was an arrogant jerk who was terrified to fight chuck Liddell and he's the reason we have all this interim title rubbish these days he's the one that started it
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  3. Martial D

    Martial D Senior Master

    Joined:
    May 18, 2017
    Messages:
    2,418
    Likes Received:
    746
    Trophy Points:
    213
    Um, what's the catch-weight here?

    Cause demitrius would fit in ortiz' pocket.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  4. Headhunter

    Headhunter Senior Master

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2016
    Messages:
    3,437
    Likes Received:
    1,208
    Trophy Points:
    253
    This has nothing to do with weight classes
     
  5. Martial D

    Martial D Senior Master

    Joined:
    May 18, 2017
    Messages:
    2,418
    Likes Received:
    746
    Trophy Points:
    213
    Oh really? So for the purposes of these threads we are supposed to imagine everyone is the same size?

    Cause a guy that walks around at 130 pounds gets manhandled by a 230 pounder 99/100 times. DJ would get squished.
     
  6. Headhunter

    Headhunter Senior Master

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2016
    Messages:
    3,437
    Likes Received:
    1,208
    Trophy Points:
    253
    Okay buddy take a deep breath and don't take it so seriously
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  7. Martial D

    Martial D Senior Master

    Joined:
    May 18, 2017
    Messages:
    2,418
    Likes Received:
    746
    Trophy Points:
    213
    I guess anything more than a sentence is taking it too seriously? LOL

    This is a what if thread. I don't see why size isn't a factor when speculating about a fight. In fact, it's a huge factor.
     
  8. CB Jones

    CB Jones Senior Master

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2017
    Messages:
    3,081
    Likes Received:
    1,285
    Trophy Points:
    253
    Location:
    Saline
    I see the tournament as selecting who was a better fighter......not who would win in an actual fight.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  9. CB Jones

    CB Jones Senior Master

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2017
    Messages:
    3,081
    Likes Received:
    1,285
    Trophy Points:
    253
    Location:
    Saline
    Too me Johnson is a much better fighter.....Johnson easy.
     
  10. kempodisciple

    kempodisciple MT Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    4,668
    Likes Received:
    1,231
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    New York
    Essentially what CB stated. Read the first post of the link in this thread (or any of the x vs x threads), specifies that it's not just weight. Otherwise it would be pretty boring.
     
  11. Anarax

    Anarax 2nd Black Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2017
    Messages:
    865
    Likes Received:
    246
    Trophy Points:
    58
    Location:
    New Mexico
    DJ
     
  12. Headhunter

    Headhunter Senior Master

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2016
    Messages:
    3,437
    Likes Received:
    1,208
    Trophy Points:
    253
    Without question. Tito was a decent wrestler that's it. The rest of his game was average at best and he frankly couldn't take a shot. When he got hit he crumbled simple as that. He never got knocked out cold he just always took a few then went down in the fetal position similar to lesnar. DJ has very rarely been in trouble in a fight
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  13. Martial D

    Martial D Senior Master

    Joined:
    May 18, 2017
    Messages:
    2,418
    Likes Received:
    746
    Trophy Points:
    213
    Well if it's a matter of skill it's a no brainier. All other things equal they aren't even in the same league skill wise.

    Tito was always a one trick pony.
     
  14. kempodisciple

    kempodisciple MT Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    4,668
    Likes Received:
    1,231
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    New York
    Honestly skill wise I can't think of anyone who could compete with him. His weight is a shame, if he was a higher class, he would be much more famous than he is.
     
  15. drop bear

    drop bear Sr. Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2014
    Messages:
    16,443
    Likes Received:
    3,804
    Trophy Points:
    308
    Even with the size difference I think that one could go either way.
     
  16. Tames D

    Tames D RECKLESS

    • Martial Talk Alumni
    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2006
    Messages:
    5,110
    Likes Received:
    645
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    I can think of two... ;)
    Dominick Cruz
    Brad Pickett
     
  17. Headhunter

    Headhunter Senior Master

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2016
    Messages:
    3,437
    Likes Received:
    1,208
    Trophy Points:
    253
    He'd destroy Pickett in a rematch. At the time he was working full time along with fighting
     
  18. Tames D

    Tames D RECKLESS

    • Martial Talk Alumni
    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2006
    Messages:
    5,110
    Likes Received:
    645
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    I guess that excuse is as good as any.
     
  19. Reedone816

    Reedone816 Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2014
    Messages:
    278
    Likes Received:
    66
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Location:
    Indonesia
    DJ, the skill disparity too big.

    Sent from my BV8000Pro using Tapatalk
     
  20. Steve

    Steve Mostly Harmless

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2008
    Messages:
    15,538
    Likes Received:
    2,734
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Covington, WA
    LOL. Wait. You're suggesting Pickett would beat DJ now? He's 6-10 since that fight.

    I think DJ, but as others have noted, it's not a given considering the size disparity. DJ is one of the most technically skilled fighters ever, but he's a little guy. would be an interesting test for the skill vs size discussions around here, though, if this were ever to really happen. :)
     

Share This Page