Tips on combining Taekwondo Karate and kenpo

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  1. Mr.NayNay

    Mr.NayNay White Belt

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    Howdy y'all sorry for being absent for a while I have been busy moving but I wanted to ask is the their away of combining two different styles and making it as your own style?
     
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    There is no recipe or formula. If you feel that you understand the different systems well, and you see a way to integrate them that makes sense to you, then have at it.

    In my opinion, most people do not do this very well.
     
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    yes of course there is, just convbine them, if that will result in something that is at least as good as either on their own is somewhat debatable
     
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    IMO unless you are Bruce Lee I would say no.
    If your objective is to become a better Martial Artist, then training in two different arts like Karate and Judo would improve your skills, but you would not be developing a new style.
    Developing a new style is for people who dedicate their lives to there art.
     
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  5. Mr.NayNay

    Mr.NayNay White Belt

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    Okay I well thank you so much for that tip!
     
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    We are looking at two very similar concepts. I don't see the problem.

    But basically you spar. You see what works. And develop that. Otherwise you develop pathways and flow charts pretty much.

    A guy I trained with a bit back who uses that sideways clever kick heavy style well.

     
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    So a random BJJ example. But one technique positions you to another and so on.

    And so you can use Kempo or TKD you just need to know how you are going to walk from one point to another.

    (The flow chart can be used informally it can just be a collection in your head)
     
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    Buka Grandmaster

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    How you actually combine styles, or if you combine them at all, is up to you. We just call it "punch kick" to have a name that represents the Striking Arts in general.

    I've trained TKD and Kenpo on a part part time basis for forty years, Karate a decade longer, have Dan rankings in all of them, which at least gives me a say.

    My say is this - it's all just punch and kick. Go forth and Kumite your fricken' brains out and sharpen them weapons up.
    Go on, now.
     
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    John LaTourrette (9th under Tracy's and 5th under Parker) had a korean karate background and added alot of their kicking methods and execution to his kenpo. It can be done, but as others have said it depends on what and how you are wanting to do it and what the base styles overall strategies are.
     
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    So what you're basically saying here is that JKD is the only martial art that is any good?

    Every single martial art was made up at some point, and I'd even go as far as to say that every one we know of has roots or influences from other arts.

    Anyone can make a 'new' MA by blending others or by making up new techniques and/or methods - whether it's any good is a different matter.
     
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    Ive trained Kenpo for a long time and I was always known for my high kicks and spinning kicks. But I never trained taekwondo in my life (I want to just never found time) in Muay Thai competition I used a lot of head kicks and spin kicks in the ring and was successful. So you can put in high kicks into kenpo.
     
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    My advise to anyone who wants to combine styles is to do each style for a minimum of 10 years and apply it. It's not complicated. It will happen naturally. Now to create a new style that you want to teach to others,, well now that's an entirely different question.
     
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    Ten years?

    Crikey. I know people who have won title fights in two.
     
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    Jigaro Kano created Judo at age 22 after about 5 years of training (total) in multiple arts.
     
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    that seems a ridiculously long time ! 20 years ? I supose it depends where your starting from, but someone young, athletic with good motor skills should be able to be a lot more than proficient in a couple of years, people have gone from street kid to the olympics in that sort of time
     
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    The question wasn't how long does it take to be a good fighter.
    It is generally accepted that it takes about ten years for a skill to be fully developed. This apply to any skill be it karate, piano, carpentry...
    We have had this discussion on this sight before it's not a new concept. So my point was if you study two or more arts , after about 10 years they will naturally be integrated into a skill set that are combined into a single unit. There would be no need to do anything special to combine them it will occur naturally.
    Keep in mind the OP asked about karate, kenpo and TKD. They are similar skill sets with different approaches.
    So @drop bear ,s. Example of a MMA fighter is not an equivalent from my perspective because 1. Fighters most often now are not learning a full style. They are learning individual skills. 2. Muay Thai and BJJ are different skill sets. So dissimilar skill sets can always be used in unison. Your not actually combining different philosophies and frame works into a cohesive skill..
    Also I am not saying it has to take 10 years. I am only saying by 10 years it will happen without a person's conscious awareness. No extra effort would be needed.
     
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    it's not generally accepted at all, I've never even seen that proposed, I've seen 10,000 hours proposed but that's for concert pianists etc where the fine motors skills are extreme, but that's a bit arguable if its anywhere near necessary if your talented
     
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    it is accepted ,,,but to each their own.
     
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    its accepted by you, clearly, that's far from it being accepted by people who know the first thing about carpentry, which one of your examples
     
  20. You can combine those three arts, fairly easy, if you were to reverse engineer them, a majority of their techniques have the same source.

    Concern your self with distances, as you fight, the distance collapses. Think about that as you are creating your art.

    In distance training it would go longest distance to shortest.

    1)Hand held weapons
    2)Kicking
    3)punch
    4)knees
    5)elbows
    6)takedowns/standing grappling
    7)ground game.
     

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