Discussion in 'Philosophy and Spirituality in the Arts' started by Makalakumu, Mar 13, 2008.
yup that about sums it up for me and tells me all I need to know... nice talkin' to ya... gotta go.
Just to add a small tangent here.... We remove very few posts. Some of those we could remove, we leave. Our policy is to hold people accountable, and when one puts their foot in their mouth up to the hip, over and over again and is later banned as a result, it often saves us from having to answer the "why'd you ban so n so, all their stuff I read was good." as the reasons become apparent with a little digging. We can discuss that though more, elsewhere.
My word...the smarmy self-righteous is really impressive. Don't you have some snake oil to sell?
-Wow, its just so easy to hate. I figured out years ago, when I was younger, (and I like to think good parenting and common sense) that labels are meaningless. Someone here seems very intent to paint all Muslims with a coating of evil. How can you believe in this? The actions of a few always put the world at large in danger. Meaning the relatively small group of Islamic-Fascists go well out of their way, albeit probably not intentionally, to make the millions of peaceful Muslims in the world feared by others. This is silly. These small groups of loud extremists believe in something that puts them well away from people of faith. The same can be said of Christians, Pagans, Jews, all spiritual paths. There will always be a small group bent of using something inherently good to ruin the lives of others.
-I do not understand how this is constantly rolled over by many. Maybe a part of it is not wanting to look in the mirror. Well I do look in the mirror, physically, mentally and spiritually. And I understand that it is the person, not the faith, that needs to be held accountable for his or her, or as a group, their actions. I hold myself responsible for my actions, for my thoughts but I certainly have no interest in controlling the lives of others, only defending myself, my family and friends, my nation if needed.
-Not expecting a perfect world, or a new prophet, or any rapture of taking place. Yeah, some of us believe in peace, but we're not naive to think it will happen all over. However, there is so much we can do to bring peace to our lives, to our little part of the world, and it does start by taking a step back and looking inside. The millions of Muslims today don't know me, don't want to kill me, don't want to convert me. But I will forever consider them brothers and sisters of HUMAN origin and live with the intent of bettering our world for everyone.
-Wow, that sounds so nice and simplistic, its a wonder flowers aren't falling from this sky, music playing from the heavens, and the various gods and goddesses aren't giving the Earth a giant bear hug.
But hey, its better than hating.
I really enjoyed that. It is always nice to see unity and some sort of common ground of a shared belief. I think finding this unity and common ground between religions is one of the main essence in which religion is about.
Speaking as a Mormon who has read the Koran (and needs to re-read it), I think it is important to note that the those of most religions who live the standards of their religion continually do good.
Helping the poor, for example, is something common in the Christian, Jewish and Muslim sects. And, some atheists also do good - and that is indeed a good thing -- and it is their right to be atheists. As long as my rights are not infringed upon then everyone should believe as they will and be encouraged to do good and cease from evil.
It's good to know what others believe and to not get upset with people who don't believe as you do. It's good to know that people from different cultures express themselves differently than you might.
Time to get off the soap box.
I spent a lot of time in Iraq and Kuwait - two VERY muslim countries...and I have to say that Kuwait was filled with what I consider to be the most polite, thoughtful, and kind people that I have ever encountered - in all my travels. The Iraqis who were NOT insurgents of course were the same. I never went into the office of an Iraqi who did not offer me food, drink, and kindness - whether it was my position or not....I've never encountered that in the U.S. Not that Muslims are better, but after spending a lot of time around them, I can say that we have no reason to hate them as a people and culture.
People who haven't read the books of other cultures, who haven't lived among them, nor interacted with them are often ill equiped to judge them, and ill advised to open mouth lest they dine on shoe pie.
I see some has already been served here. I do so hope he had washed them first.
It reminds me of a discussion I've had with Christians and Muslims about Sodom and Gomorrah. The Christians who are not well educated in their faith say the sin of those cities was a willingness to attach the dongle to the wrong port. Jews, Muslims and more informed Christians either get it reflexively or have read all the way to Isaiah. It was cruelty to strangers and breaking the sacred laws of hospitality.
Yes, even in the so-to-speak "Old Testament" to be kind and welcoming is one of the most important, non-negotiable core values. The Gospels are full of admonitions to be kind and generous "to the least of these". The Quran, Sunnah and Hadith are explicit and uncompromising on the importance of charity and hospitality.
cstanley, saying "There is so a Judaeo-Christian tradition" doesn't make it so no matter how loudly you yell it. And if you're going to use a term at least learn how to spell it correctly. The adjective is "Judeo". Jews and Christians have very different religious beliefs and vastly divergent ways of looking at the world. I know that's not what they tell you at the Megachurch. But it's true as a few hours with a knowledgeable Jew would clearly show.
Wiping foam from one's lips with grace and dispatch is not a substitute for actual data and logic. You have been presented with those from all quarters. I count Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists, Sikhs and probably a couple other flavors among the participants. Your arguments have run aground on all of these and have devolved to a distressing type - increasingly loud assertion, ad hominem attack and the equivalent of "La! La! La! I can't hear you!"
Everyone is due a certain amount of human consideration and respect. You're using up your share increasingly quickly and not bothering to replenish it. If you insist on whipping facts and reason together from the Temple nobody will want to talk to you. You may feel vindicated and victorious in your isolation. It will be a mirage.
Perhaps, if nothing else, this thread can shine some light on why religous batltes are so much more than "fighting over a book". There is so much more to it than choice of scripture.
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