Hey Ras, Just watched that first clip. Yes, thats Clyde. He, and a few other Tatumites, used to be members here. Perhaps this is best saved for the IP technique thread, but anyways...I'll say it here. He commented to you in one of those quotes, that there is always another IP tech to fall back on, in the event something goes wrong with the first IP tech. For myself, I teach the IP. But, I dont harp on it for 50yrs like some people. And thats their choice. I teach the IP, and then *I* like to move on so as to get people to thinking outside the box. Using the basics, I'll cover other options, possible attacks, etc. I'm not looking for another IP, and frankly, I dont understand why people get so bound by the IPs. Some people talk about internalizing the techs. How long does that take, given the fact that we have hundreds of them? A few months? A year? 30yrs? IMO, whats more important to internalize, is the basics, so when the poop hits the fan, you will fall back on instinct, rather than have to sort thru a list of techs. I think you and I are both getting people to the FM, you're just going on a quicker route, which is fine.