Since I'm alone in defending Hwarang Do here :duel: it would be nice to hear if there are people out there with other opinions than the few people talking bad. Anyway, Hwarang Do has received it's share of bad press on the Internet, mainly through people who were low ranking blackbelts years and years ago. I'd like to go through these stories here in it's own thread, otherwise the other threads are getting too muddled. I'm not a spokesman for World Hwa Rang Do Association however, and questions should be directed to firstname.lastname@example.org, but I'll do my best to reply to some of these stories as they come up. Bob D rambling in the "Hwa rang Do - Kook Sul Won connection?" thread (http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11884): >> The reasons that there are so few schools has to do with a great system being watered down, promotions gien without ability or enough time behind them, arrogant leaders, abusive leaders, money, fees, more money, and a general lack of mutual respect from leaders. << That's interesting Bob! You were training Hwarang Do - what 15-20 years ago? What rank were you? Did you spend a lot of time in Los Angeles when you were in Hwarang Do? Tell us something about what Hwarang Do is today, if you were a what dan(?) 20 years ago you must be an expert! Just because you don't do something for 20 years it doesn't that mean you don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about, right? How would you say Hwarang Do has been watered down? (watered down since you trained of course, the old days were always much better...). You mean the new material and the weapons for color belts were a big step down? I tested for 1.dan in 89, 3.dan in 98. It that very fast? How are the leaders arrogant and abusive? How much did you pay when you trained? "money, fees, more money" must be a lot of money! In the thread you also called Hwarang Do a cult and a business cult, let's hear about that! See, now you get to tell people what you mean. >> Any talent that went through the system has left << Thanks, that means I don't have any talent Anyway, just because someone is not teaching, it doesnt mean they "have left", lot's of the black belts visit GM Lee. But it's true, there are so few Hwarang Do black belts (http://www.hwarangdo.com/certif.htm) that it can certainly be felt when someone stops training/teaching. I think the people who stop training (Hwarang Do or any other system) does so for various reasons. When an instructor forms his own organization most of the students follows the instructor rather than the style. This is no different in Hwarang Do from any other style. Last year the Scandinavian Ving Tsun organizations broke off from their old central organization, and all the students and instructors followed. That's how things works. Do you think there is *one* reason why people have left Hwarang Do?