I like that statement! I've never really liked statistics myself.7sm
Statistics please....
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I like that statement! I've never really liked statistics myself.7sm
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Cruentus
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Sure. But the #'s are what they are. The question is "Why" are they what they are. It seems to me that one is more likely to face a gun then a knife, but if one faces a knife they are more likely to die then if they face the gun. Maybe? I don't know. I still don't know if the stats from that article are for law enforcement only, or for everyone; because that could change the #'s greatly.
Which is more deadly, knife or gun? The one that kills you, I guess.
I guess I am waiting for some more #'s, not comparing knives to guns, but just in general.
Anybody got any more stats. (or damn lies...heh) to post?
Originally posted by PAUL
Sure. But the #'s are what they are. The question is "Why" are they what they are. It seems to me that one is more likely to face a gun then a knife, but if one faces a knife they are more likely to die then if they face the gun. Maybe? I don't know. I still don't know if the stats from that article are for law enforcement only, or for everyone; because that could change the #'s greatly.
Which is more deadly, knife or gun? The one that kills you, I guess.
I guess I am waiting for some more #'s, not comparing knives to guns, but just in general.
Anybody got any more stats. (or damn lies...heh) to post?
So your wanting statistics on people faced with either of the weapons, not statistics on those stabed or shot ?
In other words, what weapon is often times used more and more often used to kill ?
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90% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
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Shows that hand guns are more often used in homicide than knifes.
Year: 2000
Hand gun deaths: 7950
Other Gun: 2209
Knife:2090
Blunt Object: 724
Other Weapon: 2545
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Year: 2000
Hand gun deaths: 7950
Other Gun: 2209
Knife:2090
Blunt Object: 724
Other Weapon: 2545
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hardheadjarhead
Senior Master
Here is a site that will lead to all SORTS of stats...DOJ.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pubalp2.htm
Click around and you'll find weapons used in assaults, etc. Scroll down and you'll see some interesting stuff.
Here, more specifically, is something having to do with injuries sustained during crimes:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/ivc98.htm
A section taken from above reads:
Of those injured, 82% reported such injuries
as bruises, black eyes, cuts, scratches,
swelling, chipped teeth, or other injuries
requiring less than 2 days hospitalization
denoted in this report as minor injuries.
Type of injury Percentage
Total victims with injuries 100 %
Minor 82 %
Cuts and bruises 66
Other minor 16
Severe 13 %
Broken bones or teeth 4
Knife/stab/slash wound 3
Loss of consciousness 3
Internal injuries 2
Gunshot wound 1
Rape without additional injuries 4 %
The sum of the detail may not total to 100% due
to rounding.
Approximately 13% of injured crime victims
described severe injuries. These injuries
included gunshot wounds, knife wounds,
broken bones, loss of teeth, internal injuries,
loss of consciousness, or other injuries
requiring 2 or more days of hospitalization.
Another 4% experienced rape/sexual assault
with unspecified types of injuries.
NOTE THAT ACCORDING TO THIS...THREE TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE REPORTED GETTING CUT/SLASHED AS DID THOSE GETTING SHOT.
I'd never read that before. Another little tidbit for my seabag of knowledge.
Regards,
Steve
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pubalp2.htm
Click around and you'll find weapons used in assaults, etc. Scroll down and you'll see some interesting stuff.
Here, more specifically, is something having to do with injuries sustained during crimes:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/ivc98.htm
A section taken from above reads:
Of those injured, 82% reported such injuries
as bruises, black eyes, cuts, scratches,
swelling, chipped teeth, or other injuries
requiring less than 2 days hospitalization
denoted in this report as minor injuries.
Type of injury Percentage
Total victims with injuries 100 %
Minor 82 %
Cuts and bruises 66
Other minor 16
Severe 13 %
Broken bones or teeth 4
Knife/stab/slash wound 3
Loss of consciousness 3
Internal injuries 2
Gunshot wound 1
Rape without additional injuries 4 %
The sum of the detail may not total to 100% due
to rounding.
Approximately 13% of injured crime victims
described severe injuries. These injuries
included gunshot wounds, knife wounds,
broken bones, loss of teeth, internal injuries,
loss of consciousness, or other injuries
requiring 2 or more days of hospitalization.
Another 4% experienced rape/sexual assault
with unspecified types of injuries.
NOTE THAT ACCORDING TO THIS...THREE TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE REPORTED GETTING CUT/SLASHED AS DID THOSE GETTING SHOT.
I'd never read that before. Another little tidbit for my seabag of knowledge.
Regards,
Steve
hardheadjarhead
Senior Master
Sorry about double posting...but this is unrelated to the above. For an entertaining look at statistics that is well written and perfectly suited for the innumerate (such as the very calcexic ME), read "How To Lie With Statistics", by Darrel Huff and Irving Geis.
Its short and sweet...and won't bore you.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_1/102-8717909-5212116?v=glance&s=books
Regards,
Steve
Its short and sweet...and won't bore you.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_1/102-8717909-5212116?v=glance&s=books
Regards,
Steve
Great book--I draw from it when I teach statistics.
hardheadjarhead
Senior Master
And...well, sorry...but here I go again...a triple post. I just keep finding new stuff.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/vrithed.txt
Table 2. Characteristics of violence-related injuries
treated at hospital emergency departments, 1994
Characteristic of injury
and violent event Number Percent
Injury diagnosis
Total 1,417,500 100.0%
Shot 70,300 5.0
Concussion/head injury 50,900 3.6
Muscular/skeletal injury 234,800 16.6
Cut/stab wound/ internal injury 433,500 30.6
Bruise 477,600 33.7
Burns/chemical injury 13,300 .9
Poisoned 1,400 .1
Rape/sexual assault 63,800 4.5
Other 72,000 5.1
Weapon used
Total 1,417,500 100.0%
No weapon 827,700 58.4
Firearm 60,900 4.3
Hit with gun 15,300 1.1
Knife/sharp object 100,100 7.0
Other object 264,900 18.7
BB/pellet gun 9,400 .7
Not recorded 139,200 9.8
Note the weapon used column...knives and sharp objects are the choice. Stats show that guns put more in the morgue, though.
I still like guns!
Regards,
Steve
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/vrithed.txt
Table 2. Characteristics of violence-related injuries
treated at hospital emergency departments, 1994
Characteristic of injury
and violent event Number Percent
Injury diagnosis
Total 1,417,500 100.0%
Shot 70,300 5.0
Concussion/head injury 50,900 3.6
Muscular/skeletal injury 234,800 16.6
Cut/stab wound/ internal injury 433,500 30.6
Bruise 477,600 33.7
Burns/chemical injury 13,300 .9
Poisoned 1,400 .1
Rape/sexual assault 63,800 4.5
Other 72,000 5.1
Weapon used
Total 1,417,500 100.0%
No weapon 827,700 58.4
Firearm 60,900 4.3
Hit with gun 15,300 1.1
Knife/sharp object 100,100 7.0
Other object 264,900 18.7
BB/pellet gun 9,400 .7
Not recorded 139,200 9.8
Note the weapon used column...knives and sharp objects are the choice. Stats show that guns put more in the morgue, though.
I still like guns!
Regards,
Steve
One thing to think about however is that those stats are listed as:
Violence-Related Injuries Treated in Hospital
Emergency Departments
And deaths are not treated in hospitals, so the numbers of those seriously wounded by gunshots could be higher if including those DOA as well as knife wounds or any serious injuries.
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Violence-Related Injuries Treated in Hospital
Emergency Departments
And deaths are not treated in hospitals, so the numbers of those seriously wounded by gunshots could be higher if including those DOA as well as knife wounds or any serious injuries.
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hardheadjarhead
Senior Master
No...certainly. Deaths due to knife and gunplay are listed somewhere on that link I provided. I believe the FBI's Uniform Crime Report lists the total deaths for each. You can then contrast them with these stats.
What is interesting is that more people die due to guns, but according to this, more people are injured by knives. This would indicate that guns are, in fact, more lethal.
DOJ is a good resource for the martial artist. Click around and you'll find scads of information pertinent to self defense. Somewhere in there is a link stating that knives are the weapon of choice for rapists...but overall they don't prefer to use weapons.
Regards,
Steve
