State of Mind when Fighting?

[Steve]

Frogs cant live in an ocean. The salt water kills them.

So yes this is apt. Like the frog in the well my understanding is based in some sort of reality like the well. where I dismiss to a certain degree the fantasy of the ocean.

This is also the difference between a soldier who is real and a warrior who is fantasy.

ThE only issue I have here is that this is like a turtle who lives in a large pond tellin the frog in his well about an ocean neither of them have seen.

 

[Jenna]

ThE only issue I have here is that this is like a turtle who lives in a large pond tellin the frog in his well about an ocean neither of them have seen.

.. least they are good company for their selves while the other animals gathered around roll their eyes to the heavens..

 

[Transk53]

Frogs cant live in an ocean. The salt water kills them.

So yes this is apt. Like the frog in the well my understanding is based in some sort of reality like the well. where I dismiss to a certain degree the fantasy of the ocean.

This is also the difference between a soldier who is real and a warrior who is fantasy.

Yes, but fantasy can also have a real world grounding that you are failing to grasp bear! A warrior is medieval

 

[drop bear]

Yes, but fantasy can also have a real world grounding that you are failing to grasp bear! A warrior is medieval

sigh.........

And why is that?

 

[drop bear]

But anybody who is getting into a ring with a corner has already been mentally prepared for the match, or had better be or the training they received must have sucked. Stick a newb off the streets guy who has never been in a fight before in that same ring and you could very likely see a freeze or flight.

But anybody who is getting into a ring with a corner has already been mentally prepared for the match, or had better be or the training they received must have sucked. Stick a newb off the streets guy who has never been in a fight before in that same ring and you could very likely see a freeze or flight.

Which would put us back to some sort of mental prep for fighting.

 

[Zero]

ShotoNoob, sorry have been away having to make a living so will respond but I see since your post about ten pages of comments has subsequently been written on fantasy warriors, small frogs in wells and how everything on an army website trying to drum up recruits should be taken as gospel truth...

What makes you think I haven't been challenged in my life or found myself in a self-defense situation with a physically superior opponent? I've already posted on this. One of the opponents where the 2 students (@ dojo) were challenging me (LIKE YOU) was a officer [Captain?] in charge of a platoon of military police where they train professionally? for both combative & law enforcement real life situations.

Like I have said earlier, from my own personal experience, both in competitive fighting (which I doubt you have participated in, please correct me if my assumption is wrong?) and from sparring and training in the dojo, military personnel, officers or otherwise, are no better as martial artists, or sport fighters, than civilians that train diligently. So your comments as to military police (who granted have more experience generally than your average soldier in at least breaking up altercations and dealing with ne'er-do-wells) or soldiers sparring you doesn't count for much in itself.

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The concept of a corner man is of course gospel in the sport fighting world, especially including MMA. And of course a corner man can be of benefit. Try not to challenge me with obvious. What I said is that I PERSONALLY don't need a corner man and I explained my philosophy on the instructor role in earlier posts. Traditional martial arts is about individual development, not the team dictating your success. The latter is sports....
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If I mistook your context then my bad, although I don't think it was clear from your post you were talking about the personal rather than ring context. That said ShotoNoob, I think you fall down on your own reasoning and in fact I find it even more questionable that you are saying you don't need a "corner man" in your personal life and in MA outside of sport/competition. This seems to conflict with your earlier statements that you already train with a "master" or teacher in Shotokan - if you don't need a ring man or someone giving you guidance in MA, then why the need for taking lessons in class? Traditional martial arts despite what you say is about students following and listening to the guidance of the sifu/sensei - is that not your "personal corner man"?

If we are in kumite competing against one another, and you think you will benefit from having a coach yelling instructions to you as I smash you in the face so fast you don't have time to react.... you are welcome to a corner man. As between 'rounds' my aim is you never get to round 2. If you don't understand the traditional karate foundation and how to apply it in kumite, IMO, the wrong time to learn in the middle of a competition. It's not my corner man against your corner man in kumite. See YT for example, say Shotokan.

Again, the statement of someone that has never competed at a high level or partaken in a ring fight. Look at any footage going however far back you like, please go as far back as you like, of the All Japan Karate Competition kumite. They are there, but there are very few fights in which the opponent is literally KO'd in the first second of fighting. You are really saying that you are so good that I am not going to get to Round Two and you are going to be able to smash my face in in a matter of seconds? I assume you are applying this to any one who stands against you?

In traditional karate, where fights are won or lost in fractions of a second, all the thinking is solely up to you. In sports like MMA where we dance around in the Thai clinch for 30 seconds where neither opponent know how to break the stalemate, sure yell over to the corner man for the solution--since you clearly aren't prepared to do it on your own....

Please provide some supporting evidence, or at least source where you are getting this from, what are you drawing on to make this claim? Would be helpful to know.

I realize this is a forum where members like to socialize. Since you can't win on the issues, you talk your way to victory by talking down your opponent. How typical pre-fight MMA interview-like. Note how you have, at the end, also appointed yourself as the "referee.' Silly. Might get an interview with some MMA schools though, grant you that..... Is that your agenda?

Ah, as you asked, no, am not interested in interviewing but thanks, I make much better money in my current job than most if not all fighters in professional MMA/UFC, but thanks...maybe when I was much younger I would have loved to give something like the UFC a shot if I could have got to that level (yet another dream unfulfilled, sigh...)

 

[Tez3]

In my (considerable) experience MMA fighters, boxers and other martial artists who take part in competitions have actually more of a competitive mind set than a 'fighting one'. yes they of course they fight but they fight with the aim of winning the competition so approach a fight differently from someone who is fighting for their life after being attacked. In competitive fighters minds are the tactics worked out for the specific opponent, things like not making stupid mistakes, watching for their opponents tells and mistakes, listening to their corners ( of course you need a corner, why on earth wouldn't you!) and trying to keep a move or two ahead of their opponent. They are working to a game plan...or at least they should be! I have seen 'fighters' enter the ring/cage looking like rabbits in the headlights though. Methinks they were thinking altogether about all the wrong things.

 

[BeeBrian]

There are more available tactics in a real fight than a sportive fight.

Examples:

*throwing a small but heavy object at your opponent, like a rock or a coffee mug.
*using racial slurs to throw the enemy off balance.
*pummeling the top or back of their heads.
*ambush.

And much much more. Lol



The way I see it, there are specialists (karateka, judoka, boxer), and then there are mixed martial artists, and then there are real life fighters.

From left to right, the level of concentrated skill becomes weaker while the level of dynamism gets higher.

As far as which guys are better, that goes to the realm of calculus professors and quantum physicians. Because even some decorated fighters out there can get incredibly biased. The latter probably have never seen an MMA bout and are completely fair and unbiased about the whole thing...

And most importantly, they have more brains than brawn.

 

[Transk53]

sigh.........

And why is that?

The why is that in the modern day world, what would a warrior be. Some street skilled killer? Someone who is Roman renactment warrior on the weekend? Just think the term warrior is way out of context in modern day parlance. Mmm, should I also sigh

 

[ShotoNoob]

ShotoNoob, sorry have been away having to make a living so will respond but I see since your post about ten pages of comments has subsequently been written on fantasy warriors, small frogs in wells and how everything on an army website trying to drum up recruits should be taken as gospel truth...

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Heck, actually as far a blog content goes, the parables and analogies were nicely written & enjoyable. This kinda literary contribution is welcome on blogs, adds social & entertainment value, not just a lesson. Hey, I don't have the technique to do this, I was speaking a bit TIC.

Ah, as you asked, no, am not interested in interviewing but thanks, I make much better money in my current job than most if not all fighters in professional MMA/UFC, but thanks...maybe when I was much younger I would have loved to give something like the UFC a shot if I could have got to that level (yet another dream unfulfilled, sigh...)

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I skipped most of your deposition. I see you can produce 'billable hours,' when the real work is slacking. We're lucky you're able to squeeze us into your prolific schedule. One thing you forget to point out is that you have 43 trophy points to my 8. Didn't make any headway in my business today so I'm jealous about that too....a slip up in the "state of mind" department on my part....

 

[drop bear]

The why is that in the modern day world, what would a warrior be. Some street skilled killer? Someone who is Roman renactment warrior on the weekend? Just think the term warrior is way out of context in modern day parlance. Mmm, should I also sigh

Because modern people don't fight? Or that in olden times people who fought had some sort of more romantic ethos.

 

[donald1]

What is your opinion on state of mind with regards to combat?

state of mind? focused on exactly what im doing.

Generally speaking, is it better to be angry, energetic, and jacked up with adrenaline to win a fight? Or is it better to be calm, focused, and precise?
Which is better for what reason?

that makes me think of a quote...
“Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.” ― guatama buddha

I consider this thing to be very very fundamental. It's kinda like... if you don't pay attention to this, why pay attention to that? Why worry about your macronutrient intake if you are consistently dehydrated? Why buy a book about entrepreneurship if you're unemployed? Why run before walk?

what? i dont understand where your going with this?? are you talking about anger as fundemental

 

[marques]

In combat competition or fast sparring I used to just observe myself moving, amotional (Mushin?). Maybe some 'reflexion' going on sometimes.
In normal (slow) sparring I like to see, memorize and analyze (latter) the training situations. Once more, without emotions (ideally).

Too much emotions (or ego) and fighting becomes monkey fight. And your skills go away... Maybe a little angry helps.