Sarah Palin for President?

[elder999]

From your own source....yes.

Actually....my post was in response to something more on topic:

Quote: Originally posted by grydth
Lost in all this are what we really should wonder about her..... what will she do about Iran? Iraq? Jobs? Taxes? Immigration?

considering what she has done in he rprevevious leadershiop posistions, I am not worried.

i trust mothers for the most part

And we have a Mayor who:

Palin ended up dismissing almost all the city department heads who had been loyal to Stein, including a few who had been instrumental in getting her into politics to begin with. Some saw it as a betrayal

At some point in those fractious first days, Palin told the department heads they needed her permission to talk to reporters. "She put a gag order on those people, something that you'd expect to find in the big city, not here," says Naegele. "She flew in there like a big-city gal, which she's not. It was a strange time, and [the Frontiersman] came out very harshly against her."

Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

Additionally, she sliced progressive taxes on the rich, raising regressive ones on the poor, and then spent lavishly: leaving the town in newfound debt. She hired a lobbyist who scored the tiny town almost 27million in federal pork. And in the face of management squabbles, she seems to have handed off the actual day to day administration to another person.

 

[theletch1]

Additionally, she sliced progressive taxes on the rich, raising regressive ones on the poor, and then spent lavishly: leaving the town in newfound debt. She hired a lobbyist who scored the tiny town almost 27million in federal pork. And in the face of management squabbles, she seems to have handed off the actual day to day administration to another person.

Which really goes to show she may actually fit into DC better than many at first thought. :rofl:

 

[Twin Fist]

oh BS elder, that crap about burning books has been debunked more times that you have,and thats saying something....

not to mention that excessive taxation of the successfull is anything but 'progressive" just another example of how liberals lie

take a poll of how many mayors replace existing dept heads with people of thier own choosing....

here's a clue, it's most of the time.....

 

[jarrod]

to be fair, i don't think liberals have a corner on lying. each side could post a list of lies perpetrated by the other side.

jf

 

[Andrew Green]

to be fair, i don't think liberals have a corner on lying. each side could post a list of lies perpetrated by the other side.

jf

I think one of the bigger lies is that you folks actually have a "liberal" party :lol:

 

[jarrod]

I think one of the bigger lies is that you folks actually have a "liberal" party :lol:

this is the reason i'm a political atheist. i don't believe in any of them. the "liberals" really don't do anything to increase our freedoms except for reproductive rights, & the conservatives certainly aren't conservative on spending. lewis black said it best when he described the dems & repubs as the party of no ideas vs. the party of really bad ideas.

jf

 

[elder999]

oh BS elder, that crap about burning books has been debunked more times that you have,and thats saying something....

Oh, really????!!!!

Anchorage Daily News
According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn't fully support her and had to go.
Emmons had been city librarian for seven years and was well liked. After a wave of public support for her, Palin relented and let Emmons keep her job.

Oh, and here's city council member and classmate of Sarah Palin's letter about her.

 

[celtic_crippler]

Palin's a book burner, Obama's a muslim, McCain can't use the internet, and Biden....well....where is Biden? Anyway.....:BSmeter:

When are folks gonna wake up? They're all lyers and are definately no longer "afraid" of the people. If you think any of them have your best interests at heart you're only fooling yourself.

They keep the line in the sand drawn and they've got the entire country choosing sides. If you're involved with one side or the other and buying into pary rhetoric you're surely not trying to find any real facts on your own and probably won't resist the "party" or it's supposed platform either.

They even try to set it up so that you can ONLY vote for who they offer up. Even if you wanted to vote for Barr he's only on the ballet in 44 states (and supposedly the only one on the ballet in Texas...we'll see how that plays out....) and he had to bring a lawsuit to get on some of those! That should tell you all you need to know or at least have you questioning.

The only nonviolent thing that would get their attention is for everyone to wake up and vote all the incumbants out of office. But...I doubt that will ever happen so....why not check snopes out before forwarding your buddies e-mail or posting nonsense.

 

[elder999]

....why not check snopes out before forwarding your buddies e-mail or posting nonsense.

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Snopes has verified Anne Kilkenny's letter about Sarah Palin, and it's been in several newspapers.

 

[Archangel M]

Not a Book Burner

One accusation claims then-Mayor Palin threatened to fire Wasilla’s librarian for refusing to ban books from the town library. Some versions of the rumor come complete with a list of the books that Palin allegedly attempted to ban. Actually, Palin never asked that books be banned; no books were actually banned; and many of the books on the list that Palin supposedly wanted to censor weren't even in print at the time, proving that the list is a fabrication. The librarian was fired, but was told only that Palin felt she didn’t support her. She was re-hired the next day. The librarian never claimed that Palin threatened outright to fire her for refusing to ban books.

It’s true that Palin did raise the issue with Mary Ellen Emmons, Wasilla’s librarian, on at least two occasions, three in some versions. Emmons flatly stated her opposition each time. But, as the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman (Wasilla’s local paper) reported at the time, Palin asked general questions about what Emmons would say if Palin requested that a book be banned. According to Emmons, Palin "was asking me how I would deal with her saying a book can't be in the library." Emmons reported that Palin pressed the issue, asking whether Emmons' position would change if residents were picketing the library. Wasilla resident Anne Kilkenny, who was at the meeting, corroborates Emmons' story, telling the Chicago Tribune that "Sarah said to Mary Ellen, 'What would your response be if I asked you to remove some books from the collection?' "

Palin characterized the exchange differently, initially volunteering the episode as an example of discussions with city employees about following her administration's agenda. Palin described her questions to Emmons as “rhetorical,” noting that her questions "were asked in the context of professionalism regarding the library policy that is in place in our city." Actually, true rhetorical questions have implied answers (e.g., “Who do you think you are?&#8221, so Palin probably meant to describe her questions as hypothetical or theoretical. We can't read minds, so it is impossible for us to know whether or not Palin may actually have wanted to ban books from the library or whether she simply wanted to know how her new employees would respond to an instruction from their boss. It is worth noting that, in an update, the Frontiersman points out that no book was ever banned from the library’s shelves.

Palin initially requested Emmons’ resignation, along with those of Wasilla’s other department heads, in October 1996. Palin described the requests as a loyalty test and allowed all of them (except one, whose department she was eliminating) to retain their positions. But in January 1997, Palin fired Emmons, along with the police chief. According to the Chicago Tribune, Palin did not list censorship as a reason for Emmons’ firing, but said she didn’t feel she had Emmons’ support. The decision caused “a stir” in the small town, according to a newspaper account at the time. According to a widely circulated e-mail from Kilkenny, “city residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin’s attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter.”

As we’ve noted, Palin did not attempt to ban any library books. We don’t know if Emmons’ resistance to Palin’s questions about possible censorship had anything to do with Emmons’ firing. And we have no idea if the protests had any impact on Palin at all. There simply isn’t any evidence that we can find either way. Palin did re-hire Emmons the following day, saying that she now felt she had the librarian’s backing. Emmons continued to serve as librarian until August 1999, when the Chicago Tribune reports that she resigned.

So what about that list of books targeted for banning, which according to one widely e-mailed version was taken “from the official minutes of the Wasilla Library Board”? If it was, the library board should take up fortune telling. The list includes the first four Harry Potter books, none of which had been published at the time of the Palin-Emmons conversations. The first wasn't published until 1998. In fact, the list is a simple cut-and-paste job, snatched (complete with typos and the occasional incorrect title) from the Florida Institute of Technology library Web page, which presents the list as “Books banned at one time or another in the United States.”

Update, Sept. 9: We have revised this section dealing with accusations that Palin wanted to ban books from Wasilla's library to include more detail about what transpired at the time.

 

[crushing]

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Snopes has verified Anne Kilkenny's letter about Sarah Palin, and it's been in several newspapers.

elder999 is correct. Snopes has verified that Anne Kilkenny indeed wrote an email offering her viewpoint of Gov. Palin.

According to Snopes research- "Kilkenny does exist, and she does live in Alaska." Daily Journal asked Kilkenny if she wrote the email that is being circulated with her name on it and Kilkenny said yes.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/sarahpalin.asp

 

[Twin Fist]

Oh, and here's city council member and classmate of Sarah Palin's letter about her.

Anne Killkenney has been completely debunked as well

Summary
We’ve been flooded for the past few days with queries about dubious Internet postings and mass e-mail messages making claims about McCain’s running mate, Gov. Palin. We find that many are completely false, or misleading.

Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she tripled per-pupil funding over just three years.
She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term.

She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.


Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesty" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.


Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."
A few of these claims were included in a chain e-mail by a woman named Anne Kilkenny. We'll be looking into other charges in that e-mail for a future story. For more explanation of the bullet points above, please read the Analysis.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html


you lose Elder, just like Obama will come Nov 4th

 

[arnisador]

Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

What it says there is:

In an Oct. 25, 2006, debate, when asked about teaching alternatives to evolution, Palin replied:

Palin, Oct. 25, 2006: Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject – creationism and evolution. It's been a healthy foundation for me. But don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.
​

A couple of days later, Palin amended that statement in an interview with the Anchorage Daily News, saying:

Palin, Oct. 2006: I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum.​

She said, then backed off a few days later. I'm inclined to think her first comments reflect her true belief. But, if she hasn't pushed it, that's great.

 

[elder999]

Anne Killkenney has been completely debunked as well

Summary
We’ve been flooded for the past few days with queries about dubious Internet postings and mass e-mail messages making claims about McCain’s running mate, Gov. Palin. We find that many are completely false, or misleading.

Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she tripled per-pupil funding over just three years.
She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term.

She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.


Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesty" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.


Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."
A few of these claims were included in a chain e-mail by a woman named Anne Kilkenny. We'll be looking into other charges in that e-mail for a future story. For more explanation of the bullet points above, please read the Analysis.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html


you lose Elder, just like Obama will come Nov 4th

Actually, if you look at Anne Kilkenny's email and actually read it , she didn't say any of those things. The question then becomes, "debunked by whom?"


So, somne quotes that are actually from her letter. Debunk these:

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative." During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later; to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal; loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).

As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects; which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance; but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork."

 

[Twin Fist]

those are claims, not proof, and you cant prove a negative. And everyone has enemies somewhere. Killkenny's so called letter was nothing but a MoveOn sponsered smear

I would invite Ann to prove her claims

Plus, here is the bottom line for everyone

she won mayor, got re-elected with over 60% of the vote

she won governer, and got over 70% of the vote

current polls show her approval rating at 80% + in alaska and the latest rassmussen shows more people think she is ready to be president than think Barry obama is

compared to nancy pelosi's congressional approval rating of under 20%, I would say Palin is just fine, and you liberal nay sayers, well, some free advice for you

all these attacks on Palin? just make her more popular.

instead of trying to tear her down, why not tout YOUR guy?

oh thats right, you cant, he is am empty suit with nothing to back it up who has only gotten this far by running against the spawn of the devil, and white guilt

 

[elder999]

Actually, everything I've posted has been sourced-she did increase the debt of Wasilla, she did fire a bunch of people and hire inexperienced friends, etc., etc.

I even posted an article from the Anchorage News

On the other hand, posting that my information has been "completely debunked," without verifiable sourcing, or saying something to the effect of ," You're just tearing her down, why don't you tout your guy?" is seen by some as effective political debate and argumentation, instead of something that should be accompanied with....oh, I dunno, cheddar or brie? :lol:

instead of trying to tear her down, why not tout YOUR guy?

oh thats right, you cant, he is am empty suit with nothing to back it up who has only gotten this far by running against the spawn of the devil, and white guilt

"My guy?!!":lol:

That's funny-my guy's McCain. Don't get me wrong, I like Obama, but he's not rady to be president (as though anyone is), and I have....other reasons for not voting for him. John McCain is a fundamentally decent man, who has a record of bipartisan cooperation, and will try to do a good job-instead of trying to do a good job making his rich friends richer, like the last administration.

I don't like his choice of running mate at all,though, considering his age and health, and her record.

 

[Twin Fist]

increased the debt?tell the WHOLE story for once elder

that was a bond issue, not her spending, and it was voted on, it wasnt her

just like the library book thing, the WHOLE story is innocent as hell, but liberals never tellt he WHOLE story

the inability of liberals to be honest will be thier downfall

 

[arnisador]

the inability of liberals to be honest

Ouch! Now there's a broad generalization!

 

[elder999]

increased the debt?tell the WHOLE story for once elder

that was a bond issue, not her spending, and it was voted on, it wasnt her

Oh, that's true-I'll reiterate:

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later; to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

just like the library book thing, the WHOLE story is innocent as hell, but liberals never tellt he WHOLE story

Not exactly innocent, and certainly not malevolent-just business as usual, though not exactly the sort of politician she claims to be....

the inability of liberals to be honest will be thier downfall

WHich liberals do you mean, here? Certainly not me-I'm hardly what you'd call a liberal, and I'm voting for McCain. Just don't like Sarah Palin.........

 

[Brian R. VanCise]

Interesting read:
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stum...n-s-favorability-ratings-begin-to-falter.aspx