Retired Navy Captain Opens Fire in Holocaust Museum with Rifle

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  1. Bill Mattocks

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    http://www.military.com/news/articl...cks-holocaust-museum.html?ESRC=topstories.RSS

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    How does a white supremacist make it to O-6?!?
     
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    Disgusting. Double period.

    The U.S. National Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. is one of the finest museums I have ever had the pleasure of touring. I cried for three solid hours in that museum. What this man did is disgusting. I would love for such hatred to disappear in our nation. That may be too hopeful. I think not, though.
     
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    "The fact that the Holocaust Museum has several armed guards tells you why we need a Holocaust Museum."
    - James Lileks
     
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    The guard has sadly since died. RIP

    Too many people still believe the Shoah never happened and too many people are still committing genocide.
     
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    With crappy reporting. He was an O-3... Captain of a PT Boat. Not, repeat NOT Captain in rank.
    He has been a loon for decades, this was just the finale.
    NBC New York has more.
    Including : He left the Navy in 56, no one goes from Seaman Apprentice to CAPT in 14 years, nor, does one retire in 14 years...
     
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    Thanks Don; I did wonder how someone with the seniority and where-withal to be elevated to Captain could become unhinged like that (I just supposed that it can happen to any of us).
     
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    Not a problem. Military.com should have damn well known better. >:
     
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    Sukerkin, while it's true that any of us could become unhinged, from what I'm hearing on the radio, this guy apparently was a LONGTIME neo-nazi, not necessarily a regular guy who just snapped.
     
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    As Don said: media idiocy/sensationalism.

    It doesn't help that while US officer rank INSIGNIA stays the same for all brances, rank TITLES don't.

    Army/Airforce/Marines:

    O-1 Second Lieutenant (Gold "butter bar")
    O-2 First Lieutenant (Silver Bar)
    O-3 Captain (2 joined silver bars( "Railroad tracks")
    O-4 Major (Gold Oak Leaf)
    O-5 Lieutenant Colonel (Silver Oak Leaf)
    O-6 Colonel (Silver Eagle( the "full bird")
    O-7 Brigadier General (Silver Star)
    O-8 Major General( 2 Silver Stars)
    O-9 Lieutenant General (3 Silver Stars)
    O-10 General (4 Silver Stars)

    Navy/Coast Guard uses the same insignia but different titles, and so you can see below the difference in meaning of "Captain" between the branches

    Navy/Coast Guard:

    O-1 Ensign (Gold "butter bar")
    O-2 Lieutenant Junior Grade(Silver Bar)
    O-3 Lieutenant (2 joined silver bars( "Railroad tracks")
    O-4 Lieutenant Commander (Gold Oak Leaf)
    O-5 Commander (Silver Oak Leaf)
    O-6 Captain (Silver Eagle( the "full bird")
    O-7 Rear Admiral Lower Half (Silver Star)
    O-8 Rear Admiral Upper Half ( 2 Silver Stars)
    O-9 Vice Admiral (3 Silver Stars)
    O-10 Admiral (4 Silver Stars)

    Big difference.
     
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    CORRECTION: Rear Admiral's Lower Half wear TWO Silver Stars, causing consternation when erroneously saluted by Brigadier Generals... Why? Because the Navy is (and so are sailors) Weird.
    1
    I only use the "full bird" in traffic...
    2 The title "Captain" is given to commanders of ships/boats/submarines regardless of rank. (More of that sailor weirdness...)
     
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    Well heck, if that's enough to confuse a regular person, or even one such as I who had to be familiar with rank to some degree, then it's really no surprise the media cocked it up, now is it.

    In either case, his actions were deplorable and he needs to be punished to the full extent of the law.
     
  13. Carol

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    Yup. Found an article somewhere that says his support for skinheads and the like go back 30 years.

    He also did several years in jail in the 1980s for kidnapping members of the Federal Reserve, and its been reported that he was also eyeing the Weekly Standard magazine as a target.

    The guy is a whackjob.
     
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    Nope, you're out of date...that used to be true but they changed it in response to whining from the Army. Rear admirals (lower half) wear a single star now, though the Navy considers all rear admirals of a type for the most part.
     
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    God bless the heroic guards that responded to this attack. No greater love has a man than to lay down his life for the protection of others. My prayers to the deceased guards family and to the guard and their family that fired the shots that ended the attack.

    Brian King
     
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    I just found out that there were a few hundred middle school children from Boston, Danvers, and Swampscott, Mass. in the museum at the time of the shooting. They were all in Washington on a field trip. The kids were scared, but OK.

    Please join me in wishing good thoughts for the children and their families, and hoping they have a safe journey home.

    http://tinyurl.com/boskids
     
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    Another pathetic sap ate up with hate and taking it out on the world. I wish they'd either get help or eat a bullet instead of pulling garbage like this.

    That guard had an 11 year old son and was reportedly a "gentle giant" who was trying to be nice by opening a door for an old man. Look what it got him.123
     

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