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Discussion in 'Security and Bouncers' started by MJS, Jan 29, 2008.

  1. Hyper_Shadow

    Hyper_Shadow Green Belt

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    Best advice I can give is if you get a job as a bouncer always listen to the bouncer who's the smallest (and generally has a shaved head and pristine hands). I remember hearing about this guy who was a bouncer as a second job near where I lived. In the day he was a carpenter so he couldn't risk mashing his hands up on the job. So he used to to just drop the nut on anybody who caused him grief. Cause he was so small folks wouldn't suspect him at all. I think MA training would be a must. At the gym I used to tarin at w there were a load of massive guys who looked the part but couldn't fight for crap. I used to watch them on the bag and laugh at how ridiulous they were. Gotta say though I'm not adding anything productive here so I can only agree with Bobby135. All you need is good common sense and an eye for percieving potential trouble.
     
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    Speaking on the bouncer side, a good bouncer will get the "problem causer" outside the bar so as to limit damage to the building/tables/people/etc. first and foremost, hopefully by talking them out, then if need by by leading them out preferably by walking them out as talking to them as you walk to the door. If not, by physically taking control and getting them outside.

    In bouncing bars, the idea is to keep your eye on the people, inform the servers and bar tenders to stop serving certain people when signs start showing up, and start ushering people out to a cab when they get to a certain point.

    Bouncing is all about watching, listening and talking. It isn't about fighting, and a good bouncer will seldom have to fight. Most fights in a bar can be stopped before they are ever fully engaged if there are a proper number of bouncers for the size of the place, and for the type of crowd, and they are alert and trained to be bouncers.
     
  3. Hudson69

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    Some traits I would want if setting up something like this? How about common sense, person skills & communication skills, at least basic first aid, good observation skills and at the very least some competency in some type of defensive tactics or brawling friendly MA.

    That is what I would like to see in security staff for these types of locations.
     
  4. shinka

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    I'm a security and loss prevention officer. I'm only 5'8" so I must arrest a lot of people bigger than me lol. Ok, I'm in shape and have lots of years of martial arts to back me up but the most important is the way you present yourself.... Be confident,relax,be in control and look in the eyes.... Most of the time, it's plenty enough to make them surrender.
     
  5. Tez3

    Tez3 Sr. Grandmaster

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    Although it may sound like semantics, in the UK bouncers are now known as door supervisors. It's an attempt and actually quite succesful to upgrade what was basically a rough job to a respectable profession. Along with the courses which include conflict management,first aid and the law it does seem to be getting rid of the rougher elements as well as making sure we don't have just anyone doing the job. We don't get the students, non English speaking people etc doing it as it course costs a fair bit of money as there's an exam to pass. The idea is to get away from the 'bouncer' type and introduce professional security personnel who are actaully a very good help for the police.
     
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    Most SIA badged operatives are less well trained for the jobs they do now than they were in the past, the exact same course is done by guards sitting on bulilding sites as is done by shopping centre, retail and door supervisors.
    The DS badge is the one everyone does first now, many barley speak properly enough to be understood face to face never mind over a radio in a stressfull situation, many did the course 6 plus years ago and have simply renewed the badge as there is no need to do refresher training.
    I fail to see how basic licencing laws and basic conflict managment skills with no physical intervention training or even bothering to include use of force in the training could possibly considered well trained to act as say a store detective, or a bouncer?
    Pre SIA the company I worked for did a 10 year work history and you had to obtain a police CRB check, they would decide if, to employ anyone with a conviction but your client would have to be informed of any convictions, we did a day of classroom training in note taking (police style) statement giving, roll, use of force, SCONE, ASCONE, PACE, the two days of rollplay type training and control and restraint and break away training.
    Door staff, in the old pre SIA days, council registration war mandatory in most areas, were trained in first aid (not now) as fire marshalls (not now) and were ok with licencing laws.
    So yeah, yeah of course the SIA has profetionalised the industry.
     
  7. celestial_dragon

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    I worked at the Coors baseball field as a uniformed security officer for almost a year. most of the officers were prior military and the site supervisor owns his own executive protection agency. We had to be train in how to deal with drunk patrons and the criminal element that they hired. part of the training was arm locks, and take downs. one of the guys that worked with me, was a body builder, and you could tell he was by his muscles. i on the other hand, not skinny, but could hold my own. he always got into a fight with a drunk. i on the other hand, when i had to deal with a drunk or who ever, never had a problem. put handcuffs on them, escorted them to the cell, and called the police.
     
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    having some common sense and thinking through the situation is much more important then a weapon or martial arts training. I would say the last are very helpful, but the best will very rarely if ever have to fight.. the idea is to do your job with out fighting if you can!
     
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    zilverkakashi Yellow Belt

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    how about if you are shorter than that height for a man? can you still be a a security personnel?
     
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    Yes -- in most environments. There are a very few jobs that they simply need a big guy for... but usually that's a visible, physical presence, often working in concert with more ordinary folks. You have the big guy to get attention, while the rest are dealing with the problems.
     
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    zilverkakashi Yellow Belt

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    so what is the minimum acceptable height for a security personnel for males? and even if the man is short in height does one's intellectual capabilities at investigation, observation and security works nullify height if a short man is about to apply for a security position?
     
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    Nobody can answer that; it's too variable. In most of the US, there probably is no height limit for most security jobs, so long as the applicant can safely drive (if necessary) or operate the necessary equipment.
     
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    Thanks for the answer..
     
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    Transk53 The Dark Often Prevails

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    For anybody wishing to take the SIA Doorman badge in the UK now, the SIA have finally decided that close control and restraint training is part of the examination. Not that you actually restrain them properly anymore, or use any kind of force other than grab the wrist. Anyway, it is the usual bureaucratic nonsense, but there you go. They may even send inspectors at some point too lol.
     

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