Just for context, I am a second year policing college student. I have a background of competitive fighting, but we are also sparring in the class here frequently learning policing combatives. I'm very curious what this forum thinks about compliance versus control methods, more specifically pain compliance. Should pain compliance even be taught? What is your opinion? I think pain compliance definitely has it's uses, but cannot be relied on. I've had force situations I've encountered in my practicum where pain compliance tactics (ie wrist lock, collar bone hook) have very rapidly gained compliance and led to very simple detainments. However, I also had a situation where 6 officers and 2 students (one being me) fought with a suspect for quite an extended period of time. It was a prisoner who couldn't be controlled. He kept getting away, back on his feet, and fighting until knocked unconscious. . Multiple large doses of pepper spray, punch/kicks, baton strikes, joint locks including an armbar that traumatically hyperextended his arm, none of that worked. It ultimately came down to trying to wrestle him which didn't work, until a rear naked choke finally stopped the fight. He wasn't on any drugs either.