Ogoshi vs. Koshi Garuma

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  1. JR 137

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    Maybe take up some Judo in your spare time?
     
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    gpseymour MT Moderator Staff Member

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    If I had the money to sign up for some classes, I’d be thinking hard about that.
     
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    Spare time... spare change... who has any of either?
     
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    A true O Goshi was always hard for me as it contorted my spine a bit to get that reach around grip on the opponent's back while simultaneously squaring up my hips against their lower body. Outside of a Judo school, it probably seems like splitting hairs since they look so similar, but Uki Goshi (floating half hip throw) has a different entry that makes it a little more doable for me. When sparring BJJ with taller lanky people, I fight for an under hook and sometimes get an Uki Goshi type hip throw easily. Like other people have already commented, with an opponent shorter than you - the higher neck grip for Koshi Guruma is more accessible and therefore logical.
     
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    If you are 6 ft and your opponent is 4 ft, it makes no sense to throw him over your hip (vertical up). Any side way throw (horizontal around your body) will be better.

    If you are 4 ft and your opponent is 6 ft, it will be difficult for you to reach to his neck.
     
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    Well... yeah. I was envisioning someone a few inches taller vs someone a few inches shorter.

    If I was 6 ft and they were 4 ft, I'd probably Uchi Mata (or I'd probably get kicked out of the kid's grappling class for throwing 4 ft tall grapplers around). If I was 4 ft and they were 6 ft, I'd probably avoid gi grips altogether and single leg them. But these are strange hypotheticals.
     
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    The 67 Kodokan Judo Throws – Nagewaza – Judo Info

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    That is precisely the list I was looking at when I posted that originally, Kirk. I don't recall the video links being there at the time, but my memory for details like that sucks, so...

    Looking at the videos, I had to go back and look at Tony's description of the difference, because my mind sees them as the same throw (in NGA, they'd be different applications of the same throw) - I notice the hip action, pull, etc, but not the precise arm position difference when I view them quickly.
     
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