Discussion in 'General Weapons Discussion' started by PhotonGuy, Feb 5, 2015.
Brand obsession is normal in almost every activity involving gear/equipment.
I don't make those kinds of posts. If you choose to see my posts as such that's you not me.
Yes that's quite true, and it sure fattens the wallets of the companies that sell the brands that are obsessed over. But, from my experience, not with just guns but with any type of gear, its best to not limit yourself to just one brand and to be flexible about choosing other brands over your favorite.
I see nothing wrong with sticking to a brand you have confidence in. Why should I not limit myself to a Glock? If Im looking for a new pistol today, what "advantage" is there in being "flexible" with brands if cost isn't a concern for me?
Personally though....I do buy various brands of things but I'm usually just looking for a better price/quality balance.
Glocks are far cheaper than many other weapons and their quality rates pretty high on a cost/quality analysis.
Lets say a company comes out with a model that has certain advantages over the Glock and that whatever you look for in handguns, this new model does it better than the Glock. Would you stick with the Glock or would you look into the new model? I myself was once a big Smith & Wesson fan but now I am leaning more towards Ruger. I still do like Smith & Wesson but there are some things about Rugers that I like better. That's why, at this point, I would choose a Ruger over a Smith & Wesson although I wouldn't have done that in the past.
Same thing with the martial arts, I think its a good idea to have a primary style but also once you reach a certain level in your primary style to explore other styles and to be well rounded. Particularly styles that are radically different. For instance, if your main style is a striking based style I think its a good idea to try a grappling style, and vice versa.
There are people who really like Glocks. I can understand; the initial Glock 17 was designed to be exactly what it is, around the specs of an Austrian army procurement contract. Subsequent models have simply adapted or adjusted the design. It's a freaking simple gun; just over 30 parts total. Damn little to go wrong. Glocks VERY reliably shoot when they're loaded and the trigger is pulled. Sometimes too reliably, as some of the careless and/or accidental discharges demonstrate. If something gets into the trigger guard and depresses the trigger safety -- it can push the trigger back, and the gun will shoot. Whether that something is a finger while holstering, or the drawstring of a jacket, or something else. I'm a fan of Glocks for LE and self defense, as I've said many times. Just about all malfunctions are shooter induced. They're very tolerant of poor care. And they go "bang" when you pull the trigger.
So, is your complaint that some people like their Glocks too much? If they ain't making out with it, that's their business. If they are -- that's REALLY their business, though I hope they're making sure it's unloaded. You can find folks equally obsessed with other guns, with cars or trucks, with animals, sports teams... even martial arts! Some of them ain't exactly too balanced in their lives.
So.... what was your point with this thread?
Its not a complaint, if people like Glocks above everything else that's their choice. I was just pointing out about the obsession some people have with Glocks, its an observation not a complaint. It doesn't bother me if somebody has a religious obsession with Glocks I just find it a bit weird. To each their own but as for me, I prefer to be a bit broader and more well rounded. I know the Glock is reliable but I like to try other stuff too. Lots of people like Glocks and Im among them but somebody who thinks the Glock is the one and only choice, I wonder if they've shot all that many other brands.
Also, as far as I know the Glock has never been used in the Army as a sidearm. First it was the Colt 1911 that was used and now I believe its the Beretta 9mm but I don't think they've ever used Glocks. Interesting that such a popular firearm isn't used in the Army.
No, it's a matter of the military procurement process, which is driven not only by the military's needs but also Congressional input.
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It's much the same here, we always use to carry Brownings and 'SLR's and , a little while before I retired the supplier was changed so that we had Sig P229s and H&K MP7, it depends on what the contractor is willing to offer the MOD, the same as any business really. I'm not sure what the military use other than the SA80 which was a weapon designed for NATO use.
It is certainly issued to various factions within the army (Delta Force, Rangers, etc). It's also issued to Air Force pilots, and others as well.
Many countries' military forces in Europe, Asia, and Central / South America use the Glock pistol as a sidearm.
yeah if you were made of money. Buy every gun and see what you like. But for most people you have to buy on a bit of guesswork.
To be honest I don't see what the benefit of being "well rounded" is with regard to pistol ownership. I don't think Glocks are the best, but I also don't think there is anything substantially better for what I need, and to be honest what most people need. Glocks are mechanically more accurate than most shooters, certainly mine is better than me, they have a strong reputation for reliability, and are simple to maintain. But I have little interest in having a large collection of pistols, mostly because I consider them tools and these tools require specialized training for each one. I am accustomed to glocks enough that the grip angle is natural, but if I draw my 1911 or Ruger P90 that puts my habitual point of aim at about the other guys groin at 20 feet. Both of those pistols safeties work differently, I don't want to have to worry about having the incorrect thumb swipe should I need to draw. Well rounded to me means I have a pistol, a carbine, a shotgun, and a rifle in my selection, not that I have a bunch of different handguns.
Tez3 just what background do you have with firearms? You're from the UK aren't you? From what I know there are people with such backgrounds in the UK but its not as common as it is in the USA.
I was talking about in the USA I didn't think it was used as a military sidearm although I wasn't sure about other countries, but if you say it is than I stand corrected.
Yes I know what you mean. If I had money falling out of my butt I would have all sorts of guns from companies such as Kimber and Wilson Combat.
But as for guesswork its always a good idea to try a wide variety of guns before you buy so you know what you want. While Glock is definitely a good gun for an affordable cost, so are other brands, and particularly if you're looking for a revolver, brands such as Smith & Wesson and Ruger.
Lets say that for whatever reason you don't have access to your primary weapon and you have to use a backup gun? Maybe you have to use a friend's gun or even a gun that you managed to wrestle off a bad guy. If you're not familiar with the gun than you're in trouble. That's why I think its a good idea to be well rounded and familiar with all sorts of different guns. Also, it gives you more to choose from when picking out a gun for yourself.
I'm retired now. There are police forces in the UK that are routinely armed. Not what we call Home Office police, those that you will see on the street but specialist police forces.
Bah! The "combat pickup" thing is a load of crap IMO. If you are a soldier in a combat zone...sure...learning how to fire an AK is a good idea. As a CC issue though? It's a gun store BS story.
I'd suggest that a person become expert with one gun vs worrying about becoming familiar with many. Know how to operate a revolver and a semi-auto, thats it. I wouldn't worry about what brands.
"Beware the man who only has one gun. He probably knows how to use it!"
I don't understand what the OP's problem is, some people prefer a particular make of weapon, so what does that mean, other than they prefer a particular brand of weapon, the same can be said of cars, mobile phones, washing machines, shoes, clothes even. We have a choice of many brands for many things, we use our choices as consumers as we see fit. We have particular choices over what authors we read, what television programmes we watch, what sports we do or don't do, we have choices, that's good not bad. That some brands of anything are more popular than others is not a bad thing. I don't think people, on here at least, chose what weapon they want by sticking a pin in the pages of gun publications and buying whatever it hits. They make choices based on what they can afford, what they want in a weapon, what they find works for them, that one particular brand is the most popular choice ( if it in fact is) means most likely that company has done it's market research and provided something that many customers want.
Going along the 'what if' trail is a fruitless one, think about likely scenarios yes but restrict it to likely ones don't go off on 'what if' fantasies.
In what respect though. How many times in a day or night do you need to have to actually to wrestle a gun of someone. It is just common sense to be familiar with a handgun surely. In the same way it is to be with a car so when it breaks down, you may be able to stop the need for a recovery vehicle. Just out of curiosity, how many hours do you spend on the X-Box or PS?123
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