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    The concept of what Nei Kung is has been terribly bastardized in the public mind due to money grubbing amateurs who like to write books.

    This is an excellent description of what nei kung (neiging) really is:


     
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    One of the main differences between chi kung and nei kung is that originally, traditionally, before it was bastardized by the money grubbers, Nei kung meant entire systems of self developement, which are said to contain ten thousand techniques. (depends on how you count)

    Real nei kung addresses all aspects of self development, physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual.

    Chi kung, on the other hand, consists of sets of exercises which are very small subsets of nei kung system methods. A chi kung 'system' may have as few as a couple of techniques, to many tens of techniques. When it starts to get into the hundreds, like the original Wild Goose chi kung (Dayan chi kung) then it is more like nei kung, although it is called chi kung ... for the same reason I call Tien Shan a chi kung, because when you practice or teach it only a limited number of techniques can be performed, obviously.

    So, when someone is 'doing' it, they are doing chi kung, but if they are serious students of one of the holistic systems then it is called ni kung.

    What happens is that some jokers who are either liars or who have been misinformed by previous liars upline, offer some pathetic exercise and call it nei kung.

    In the past, before there wer big cities, books, and internet; when masters were few, and students were serious, nei kung was the Way, and chi kung was more or less unheard of. Then with the advent of commercialism, most people became interested in chi kung, and nei kung was nearly forgotten. Then, after that, people got wind of the fact that nei kung is superior, more powerful, and more complete than chi kung so it became popular to 'sell' nei kung to the masses.

    Most of these 'sellers', before the internet, started selling it by writing books. I think this is an important point, because they focussed on methods which are more mental and much simpler, ones that aren't much exercise, if any at all.

    In fact, big parts of real nei kung is a lot of exercise, and for people who are not in good condition it can BE brutal. Any weakness a person has, whether it be physical or emotional, will cause some real pain until it is fixed, or cured. If you find any nei kung which is not brutally physical, then it is a lie, and it has been wimpified in order to make it acceptable to the consumers.
     
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    if its worth anything, i have no idea what this is. :p

    Interesting anyway.
     
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    Thanks, have you heard of qigong? Qigong is the modern communist way fo spelling chi kung. I'm old fashioned and like the phonetic spelling.
     
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    Not wanting to make this political, but Communism has little to do with Qigong vs Chi kung.

    Qigong is the Chinese version (pinyin) of spelling english works for English speakers
    Chi Kung is the British (Wade-Giles) version of spelling Chinese words for English speakers
     
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    I agree. The thing is, I read somewhere that the Chinese government needed to standardize spellings so that Chinese could use computers to write, using our letters. The government at the time was communist.
     
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    Ok, honestly, the video had next to zero actual information. It is on a level with simply explaining what the definition is. Beyond that, there was nothing of substance.

    In particular, I want to point out the section of the fellow pointing his fingers at the woman’s belly, from several feet away. Then cut to a closeup of her belly, with a light spot, possibly coloration or shining a flashlight on her skin, but showing no connection to the fellow pointing his fingers. That is an obvious fakery, and a good example why people tend to not buy into this stuff. Do some “mysterious” motions, then cut the camera angle and show something implied as a result of the mysterious motions, and people aren’t supposed to believe in it? Pretty gullible.
     
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    That would be simplified Chinese that the Communists pushed and that is used in Mainland today.
    Simplified Chinese 中国 = China
    Traditional Chinese 中國 = China

    Pinyin was developed in the 50s for a standardization of the Romanization of Chinese, computers had little to do wth it. It used by the UN, mainland China and Taiwan
     
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    I agree, those demonstrations in the videos were probably faked. The guy you mentioned was very handy with the fakery and tricks.

    The thing is, I've felt tremendous heat from my teacher's hands, and I myself can make a person say "ouch it's hot!" when I have scanned their belly for a few seconds. So I know it is possible. One important point is that the real masters with high level abilites do not put on demonstrations for the public or videos, therefore the video maker was forced to use some fakes in the video. The most important part of that, though, is that when the video shows those things it says that those are merely side effects of the true purpose of nei kung, which is correct.

    Most special abilities are temptations, traps, or signposts along the Way.
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    I am going to type this in Hanzi
    内功 和 外功 是 气功。
    To break it down even more
    Nei Gong is a method of Qigong that focuses on a more internal(Nei) approach as oppose to using a more external (Wai) approach.
    Usually a person who practices Qigong does both or has done both.
     
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    I would need to feel it for myself. So far, I have not.
     
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    I can understand that. The ability is kind of rare, there are tons of fakes, and the real guys don't do public demos, they only show their students IF the student is serious and making good progress.
     
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    What it's worth depends on how important cultivating yourself to super human levels matters to you. The thing to know is that most people selling what they call neigong, are either clueless or liars, and they are selling lies that hurt a lot of people.
     
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    My reaction to this is the same as my reaction to psychic seeing and other such claims. I find it odd that all we can find of video seems to come from fakers, and as it becomes easier and easier to test and verify (or falsify) it, the real practitioners become more and more secretive.

    I don't know if any of it is "real" or not, but I see no reason to see the trend as anything but evidence it's not.
     
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    Well, that's not surprising, I was exactly the same way, I had all kinds of 'beliefs' about it. It is understandable that people who haven't experienced such things will think they don't exist, no problem. Perhaps if you look further afield you will find something. All the books written by sincere spiritual seekers can't be wrong. So anyway, I experienced telepathy with Mr. Yueng, I had some visit from beings in the spirit realm, and a whole lot more that I thought didn't exist.

    I may be the only person who you know who can demonstrate chi, and you don't believe me = ) Come on down to Ecuador if you are curious enough.
     
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    Actually, all the books can be wrong. It doesn't matter how many people claim something - it's only true if it is true without the mountain of claims.

    I also don't believe for a moment that powers like that wouldn't eventually show up in the public eye, because someone could make a fortune off them. And eventually, someone who wants to make a fortune (perhaps so they can use that fortune to solve hunger issues in their country - so they don't have to be greedy) would learn enough to do so.

    One interesting note is that I've had many people over the years say they could show me, if I came to visit them. Oddly, I've never once met anyone who could demonstrate to me. Nor do I know anyone who's met anyone who could demonstrate to them. These offers seem to happen only at a distance. That doesn't mean the offers aren't real, nor that the people couldn't demonstrate. But you have to admit, it doesn't come down on the side of convincing evidence.
     
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    In a religious context I think it is fine, There are rituals in Daojiao that have no real science and I do not think any Priests try to justify with a scientific explanation or rationalize it, it is purely based on faith. I believe everyone demonstrates Qi, if you are breathing in and out, more extraordinary claims I file in the religious context.
     
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    My teacher (1908 - 1986) who had traveled through China from north to south all his life once told me, "All my life I tried to meet a Chi master and I could not find any?"

    I also told my students that if I can meet a Chi master, I'll pay him $10,000 myself. So far nobody has received my offer yet.

    When Chi master suddenly appear in 21th century, It makes no logic sense to me. Which secret hole did those Chi masters crawl out from?

    A Chi master must have a Chi master teacher. His Chi master teacher must also have a Chi master teacher. When an acupuncture doctor who had learned the initial 7 Taiji moves from me became Chi master 3 years later, I then understood it's possible that Chi master can be born from nothing.

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    And yet, nobody has...

    Sure they can.

    People are being very nice here, and that's good. But, bluntly, I can't decide if you're just incredibly gullible and really believe this nonsense, or if you're just trying to cash in on gullible people and make a buck off the nonsense you published in that silly fantasy novel on your web site.
     
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