muslim judoka refuses to shake hand of isreali rival after match

[Twin Fist]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/all...ake-israeli-rivals-hand-called-national-hero/

Egyptian judoka Ramadan Darwish refused to shake the hand of Israeli rival Arik Zeevi after the Egyptian defeated him in the quarterfinals of the Judo Grand Prix in Dusseldorf, Germany, prompting an Egyptian website to dub him a “national hero” and an Israeli sportscaster to call him not “sportsmanlike.”According to the Israeli athlete, “He also yelled ‘Allahu Akbar’ when the fight ended.”



thoughts?​

 

[Sukerkin]

The sportscaster has the right of it - sport and politics cannot always be separated from each other but such acts as that one are bad manners in any language.

 

[Big Don]

imo, your religion should be more important to you than your hobbies. That said, shouldn't he have either refused the match altogether?

 

[Bill Mattocks]

thoughts?

I think it's a sore loser being a sore loser. The guy's a jerk, and he's done it before. Other than that, I don't see any religious component to it. FYI, the first time appears to have occurred in May of 2011.

[video=youtube_share;gXNacDRuZUM]http://youtu.be/gXNacDRuZUM[/video]

At 1:01, he bows to his competitor.

At 1:04, his competitor bows back to him.

At 1:05, he turns and begins to stalk off the mat, obviously upset over losing. At the same moment, his competitor begins to walk towards him; if you play the video frame-by-frame, when his competitor stretches out his hand to shake hands, he has completely turned away and clearly cannot see the hand being offered.

The judge is obviously offended by his stalking off the mat, and orders him back. At 1:19, he reappears, bows very slightly to his competitor, and immediately turns and stalks off again, this time clearly ignoring his competitor.

In the most recent match, he won instead of losing, but he's still a jerk. He does bow to his competitor; in the earlier match, he bows deeply; in the more recent match, it's perfunctory. But he does bow. For whatever reason, though, he doesn't shake hands. My question would be whether he shakes hands with anyone. I've seen more than my share of elite athletes who felt it beneath them to shake hands after a game; even in the USA.

The fact is, Egyptians tend not to like Israelis and vice-versa. Although in this case the Israeli competitors were clearly better sportsmen.

Other than that, I think it's a lot of noise over some jerk behaving like a jerk. As to what his fellow Egyptians have to say about it, I'm not surprised. Big deal, they don't like Israel. Huge shocker.

EDIT: I found some other videos of Ramadan Darmish on Youtube. Apparently, he does shake hands with competitors. Just not Israelis. He is a jerk and a poor sportsman.

 

[Twin Fist]

Bill, that being said, do you think he should be subject to some sort of sanction?

 

[clfsean]

He's an *******. You can't even blame politics/religion on this. That's him.

 

[Bill Mattocks]

Bill, that being said, do you think he should be subject to some sort of sanction?

What are the rules of the Judo federation he belongs to? Is shaking hands required? Is refusing to shake hands seen as unsportsmanlike conduct? If so, then yes, I suppose so. If not, then no.

Honestly, though? I don't care what jerks do. It doesn't get my panties in a knot either way.

[video=youtube_share;p09y7yZAutQ]http://youtu.be/p09y7yZAutQ[/video]

Here's (apparently) France's soccer coach refusing to shake hands with South Africa's coach.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/10/rand-paul-wont-shake-hands-debate.html

Here's Rand Paul refusing to shake hands with Democrats.

I really don't care who shakes hands with whom.

As my dad once said when he tried to hold a door for a woman and got chewed out for it: "I don't hold the door for you because you are a lady, but because I am a gentleman." I offer to shake hands. If it's ignored, oh well. Life is too short to get all torn up over it.

 

[Bill Mattocks]

imo, your religion should be more important to you than your hobbies. That said, shouldn't he have either refused the match altogether?

I don't know why it is a religious issue. It's a jerk-wad issue.

 

[Twin Fist]

you cant legislate someone into not being an ***.

 

[Bill Mattocks]

you cant legislate someone into not being an ***.

Lucky thing for some of us, eh?

 

[Twin Fist]

indeed

Lucky thing for some of us, eh?

 

[Tez3]

I've seen other Muslim sportsmen from Egypt as well as other countries manage to be in the same place as Israeli sportsmen and behave properly. I think it must be this particular Judoka.

 

[Sukerkin]

As my dad once said when he tried to hold a door for a woman and got chewed out for it: "I don't hold the door for you because you are a lady, but because I am a gentleman."

A quote I dearly love :nods:.

 

[Instructor]

As my dad once said when he tried to hold a door for a woman and got chewed out for it: "I don't hold the door for you because you are a lady, but because I am a gentleman."

Your dad is wise, I may have to use this sometime.

I agree with others that say the Egyption guy is simply a jerk, it has nothing to do with religion or politics. I think he might have a bright future in WWE, just kidding.

 

[Grenadier]

If there's a sportsmanship clause in the rules, then he should be sanctioned for his bad behavior. I've always believed that good sportsmanship should exist between two competitors, even if they really don't like each other. After the match is over, and everyone has left the building, they can go back to hating each other, trash talking, etc.

I am not familiar with this league's rules, though, and if they don't have such clauses in the books, then no, he shouldn't be sanctioned. However, that still doesn't prevent me (and many others) from expressing my belief that he's a real jerk about things.

 

[Tez3]

I'm fine with and appreciate men I know opening doors for me but from a SD point of view entering a room for example with someone (doesn't have to be a man) behind you isn't always ideal, not that I'd be rude but I'd find an excuse to go after someone I was wary of.

 

[puunui]

I'm fine with and appreciate men I know opening doors for me but from a SD point of view entering a room for example with someone (doesn't have to be a man) behind you isn't always ideal, not that I'd be rude but I'd find an excuse to go after someone I was wary of.

I'm trying to figure out what the above has to do with the original topic. But in any event, I would say if the muslim competitor does not wish to shake the hand of the israeli competitor, then we shouldn't be forcing them. Instead perhaps we should be understanding why they are behaving that way. Perhaps the bow is enough.

 

[Jenna]

It is a good rallying thread title I think.

 

[puunui]

I think it's a sore loser being a sore loser. The guy's a jerk, and he's done it before.

In the original post, the muslim competitor won.

 

[Bill Mattocks]

In the original post, the muslim competitor won.

In the video I posted where he did it before, he lost. However, point taken. He's not just a sore loser, he's a poor sport, period.