Most Dangerous (as in Useless) Self-Defense Technique Taught?

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  1. wingchun100

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    What would you say is the most useless technique taught in self-defense classes? One that you know would never work in reality?

    For me, I would have to say telling rape victims to scream "fire" instead of "help." It just doesn't make sense to me. If someone screamed "fire," I would not run TOWARD it...I would run FURTHER AWAY from the sound of the voice yelling it, so as to not die a fiery death! That's just my opinion though.

    So, how about it?
     
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    Air chokes. They work fine, but then you gotta go to prison. :(
     
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    Screaming using the term 'fire' or 'help' isn't a technique however it is a tactic to attempt to draw attention and hopefully assistance. If you teach a specific manner to do a scream; using the diaphragm vs the throat, for example, would be a technique.
     
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    All right. Well, semantics aside...
     
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    I don't like the self-defense technique of telling women to put their hands up in front of them and yelling at an attacker to stay back or back off, as if they woman is trying to push the guy away. Those commands can be given from a better defensive stance. A woman that makes a fist, stands in a fighting stance, and gives a command to back off but has the look as if she wants to take me on would be more intimidating to me. It would be more intimidating than a woman with outstretched arms like the woman in the middle (black outfit) screaming "Back off" which is exactly what these women are screaming. If we were to cut her out of the picture. I would be able to use her on a "don't be a victim" ad and people would think that she was playing the part of the victim. If women don't know how to fight then they need to be able to sell a bluff and look as if they are more dangerous than what they really are.
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    I don't like the self-defense technique of telling women to put their hands up in front of them and yelling at an attacker to stay back or back off, as if they woman is trying to push the guy away. Those commands can be given from a better defensive stance. A woman that makes a fist, stands in a fighting stance, and gives a command to back off but has the look as if she wants to take me on would be more intimidating to me. It would be more intimidating than a woman with outstretched arms like the woman in the middle (black outfit) screaming "Back off" which is exactly what these women are screaming. If we were to cut her out of the picture. I would be able to use her on a "don't be a victim" ad and people would think that she was playing the part of the victim. If women don't know how to fight then they need to be able to sell a bluff and look as if they are more dangerous than what they really are.
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    First, I agree.

    Second, I am glad I am not the only one the site is spazzing out on!
     
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    Self defense.
     
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    I don't think anything is useless since you never know what's going to happen. You may think you'll never use something that your being taught but when it comes to it you use it simply out of instinct
     
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    Well, I think there are some things that are poorly designed. They may look god on paper, but would never work in the real world. This stuff wasn't handed down by the gods, after all. It was all created by people, who are prone to bad judgement at times. Yes, even the revered founders of the systems that we practice.
     
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    double post
     
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    I would take a guess you also think using the isosoles stance is useless as well when shooting a hand gun.
     
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    I would take a guess you also think using the isosoles stance is useless as well when shooting a hand gun.
     
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    I would take a guess you also think using the isosoles stance is useless as well when shooting a hand gun.
     
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    2 different things. Do you shoot a hand gun with both palms facing out looking like you are afraid? If you don't know the difference then I can't help you.
     
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    Care to elaborate?
     
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    Care to elaborate?

    EPIC DOUBLE POST - second one attached to the wrong post.
     
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    It would have to be all techniques (to many to list) that were taught in a self-defense/patient restraint class, taught by a nun, in a catholic hospital I once worked at.
     
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    Double post...move along...nothing to see here

    Apparently IE is having a real hard time with MT today
     
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    I don't know. Some of the nuns I knew were frightening (Catholic school). I wouldn't want them restraining me if I got out of hand.
     
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    Oh, it's not IE. I'm on Chrome, with the same issue. Clearly MT is having a case of "it's Friday, and my brain is having a weekend".
     
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    You would think that, I know I did, but that myth was dashed completely after that class. Apparently Nuns working at Catholic hospitals are not as skilled, or as terrifying, as Nuns at Catholic schools
     
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    Yet another Double post...move along...nothing to see here

    Apparently Every Browser is having troubles with MT today
     
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    Agreed I have been switching back and froth to see what I posted and both are slow
    Just tried a Mac using Safari, same thing
     
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    We simply have a fundamental disagreement on what self-defense is compared to personal protection is. We also have a fundamental disagreement on the efficacy of "martial arts" training for personal protection.

    One can look at the many other posts to see that.123
     

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