Looking for an Iaito

Discussion in 'Japanese Swords and Sword Arts' started by HawkHunt, Jul 27, 2016.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Brian R. VanCise

    Brian R. VanCise MT Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2004
    Messages:
    27,510
    Likes Received:
    1,414
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Las Vegas, Nevada
    Not a lot of local experts hanging around in any State here in the US that will be able to make an iaito properly. If they are qualified I would expect them to be making Shinken and even then I personally would be skeptical buying a live blade from them. More than likely the OP would spend a lot of money on some thing that was not appropriate for his study of iaito. It is so much easier to listen to your teacher and get his/her advice on the iaito that they recommend. The advice given by Hyoho, Chris, pgsmith, myself, etc. is very sound and we are all trying to save the OP from wasting money.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  2. Steve

    Steve Mostly Harmless

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2008
    Messages:
    14,142
    Likes Received:
    2,350
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Covington, WA
    Makes sense.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. Juany118

    Juany118 Senior Master

    • Supporting Member
    Joined:
    May 22, 2016
    Messages:
    3,096
    Likes Received:
    1,030
    Trophy Points:
    213

    And the money issue I acknowledge. My only point was, and maybe I am anal retentive, is that I always look at all available options and then do a cost/benefit analysis. The "no stone unturned" kinda mindset. This doesn't mean you chose what is under every stone, only that you check under em.
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2017
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. Hyoho

    Hyoho Black Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2013
    Messages:
    582
    Likes Received:
    230
    Trophy Points:
    58
    You are very correct in saying that. A shinken used for tameshigiri is nothing like that used for Iaido. Even the polish is different. They may look the same but they are far from it.
     
  5. Brian R. VanCise

    Brian R. VanCise MT Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2004
    Messages:
    27,510
    Likes Received:
    1,414
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Las Vegas, Nevada
    There is nothing ever wrong with looking at all kinds of options. That is actually good advice. The problem is that most people just are simply not in a position to understand all "of the options" when it comes to bladed implements and training tools used in most systems. Unfortunately, there are so many peddlars of junk out there that it is hard to tell the difference for someone not educated. I have five ginuntings and four of them are great but one is pure junk. I could easily sell that junk one to someone for a nice profit and they simply would not know the difference! However, I would never do that but a lot of people would!
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. Chris Parker

    Chris Parker Grandmaster

    • MartialTalk Mentor
    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2008
    Messages:
    6,012
    Likes Received:
    926
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    Okay. One more time, then.

    Advice is given in different ways. You asked the question, yeah... and the question was good, and valid (from a non-practitioner who doesn't know the context or situation)... and you were answered. That, really, should have been the end of it... but it wasn't. You persisted, asking the same question again and again... always with the implication that your idea (of finding what you think exists, this imaginary "local expert") was valid and realistic... and was a course of action that could, and potentially should, be followed. That is you advising to look for this "local expert" in a field you don't know, where you can't even clarify how to identify one.

    No, he didn't. What he said was that the "local expert" (your local blade smith) would likely not be cognisant of the actual requirements and aspects of Japanese blades (which is something I also said). You interpreted that as "incompetent"... although Brian never said that. Just that your local expert would likely not be expert in the right thing... because, when it comes to Iaito, there aren't any. And a blade smith is not the same thing at all.

    In other words, your presentation of an expert isn't one in this context, which is what Brian really said.

    The problem is that it does make sense... if there is one, sure... but the catch is, there aren't any. That's the issue. This is why your idea is unrealistic... it doesn't match the reality... there aren't any "local experts" making Iaito. This is where your entire thought pattern falls down... and you have no argument, as you don't have any idea what is actually needed, or what would constitute a "locally sourced" iaito... or even what makes a particular item an iaito or something else.

    IaiTO is the sword... IaiDO is the art... and, again, no, that's not what he actually said... he was discussing a shinken at the time, not an iaito (while that is still a fairly personal thing, it isn't to the same degree, particularly on the spiritual side, as a shinken... particularly not for a beginner, as the OP was/is)... and was discussing the differences between a simple reseller and dealing with a craftsman. I likened it to buying art... as that's really the closest thing to this.

    I will spell this out for you slowly.

    Local experts for an Iaito (maker) do not exist. There aren't any. Forget the "differences" centered around price... that was dealing with a smith who would make a shinken (live blade) for you. This is not that. It has been said again and again... an Iaito is not a cutter. It is not a shinken. It is a different piece of equipment, and is made differently, with different material, and different methods. At best, you may find someone locally who can look after the fittings (tsuka-ito, saya perhaps...), but that is all.

    And I have taken nothing out of context, Steve. You know how you can tell? Because I don't cut up and only answer select parts of your post... and I don't try to decide which of your words are more important or relevant than others to the discussion... I answer the whole damn thing. But if you feel that you are being taken out of context, please provide examples.

    I don't hide anything like that, Steve, it'd be pointless. You really should try reading what I write, rather than deciding what I'm saying (and how I'm saying it) before you start... as you seem to agree with others saying the same thing as me...

    Garbage. You tried dismissing my input as "largely speculative". Please explain how, with absolutely no idea of the topic, the situation, the availability, the requirements, or even what was needed on a basic level, you could dismiss my comments as speculative without trying to put yourself as having some idea of what you're talking about.

    Frankly, Steve, one of the big differences between myself and yourself is you pretend you're not offering uninformed commentary and advice, feigning that you'd "never pretend to know something you don't", and I speak on subjects I do know about... which is a fair bit broader and deeper than you seem to be able to believe. That, Steve, is your failing, not mine.

    Yep. In fact, due to the manufacture process of an Iaito, I know of exactly no-one in the US making them... it's simply too cost prohibitive to make them as one-offs... especially considering the selling point of them. Shinken are a different issue, of course, but that's the point... we're not being asked about shinken...

    There are no available options in the sense that has been discussed. Seriously, I don't know how simpler to put that... there aren't any. Frankly, it's simply a waste of time and effort... believe me, if there were locally available quality Iaito, we'd know about them. There aren't.

    Can we get that now? And stop suggesting looking for one?
     
  7. Steve

    Steve Mostly Harmless

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2008
    Messages:
    14,142
    Likes Received:
    2,350
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Covington, WA
    Hi Chris. Thanks for your reply. I appreciate that there is a difference between us. I'm glad you see one, too. I would hate to think we are alike. But, I think it's exactly the opposite of what you describe. I have nowhere in this thread stated or implied any knowledge of iaido. In fact, I haven't stated or implied any expertise in forging. That's all in your mind. I went back and read every post I wrote, including several which were strictly trying to clarify in case anyone had the wrong impression.

    At this point, I've tried literally copying and pasting and you're still going on and on, presuming to tell me what I meant in spite of my repeated clarification. The last several posts I've made in this thread are you attacking me and me trying to explain what i meant. You attack again, mix in personal attacks. I explain again what I meant. You tell me what I really meant. I explain again what I meant, Repeat ad nauseum.

    In contrast, I have commented many times on threads where you are speaking with authority in areas you have no idea what you're talking about. Bjj, mma, fighting. So, yeah. I think that you've nailed it... just have it flipped.

    I hope this is clear. It's early here. Im trying to be direct.

    I think Brian understands what I have been saying. And honestly, Juana's posts are exactly what I've tri d to express, as well, so if you still don't understand, maybe look at what he wrote.
     
  8. pgsmith

    pgsmith Master Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2005
    Messages:
    1,442
    Likes Received:
    374
    Trophy Points:
    123
    Location:
    Texas
    Wow!
    That's horrible Colin! That made me seriously cringe as there's just no recovering from that.

    What a waste!
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page