Kip-up recovery

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  1. Solidman82

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    I was wondering if there's a way to do a kip-up and be ready for a technique as soon as you're on your feet. And if so, what training methods can help?

    I'm able to do a regular kip-up rather easily and can also do a no-handed without breaking a sweat, but it seems like for about 1 or 2 seconds I'm stuck regaining my footing.

    As we all know, one or two seconds after getting knocked down is really quite vital. Can anyone help or should I just abandon the idea of kip-ups all together?
     
  2. Blindside

    Blindside Senior Master

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    Assuming you have someone standing around you wanting to do you harm, kip-ups are just a frakkin bad idea. Looks cool, bad idea.

    Lamont
     
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    Yeah, but Neo was so good at it!
     
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    Personally, I'd find a different way of getting back to my feet.:)

    Mike
     
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    Brian R. VanCise MT Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes, I imagine there might be a time that you could use
    a kip up but in my opinion it is to long to develop and
    you are to vulnerable! You might try a backroll to create
    distance or an efficient way of standing up like the BJJ guys
    use. There are several other alternatives as well. Could you
    use it? Possibly. However there is also the chance that you
    kip up right into whatever the person who pushed you
    throws right at you at that time! It is however a very
    impressive gymnastic move! I used to due them back in
    the day myself. Now my back just says no way old man!

    Brian R. VanCise
     
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    Thats exactly what I was thinking.

    Mike
     
  7. Solidman82

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    Does anyone have any specific suggestions?
     
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    Getting up in the fashion that you'd see BJJ guys do is one way. If you're not quite sure what I'm referring to let me know.

    Mike
     
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    I am not quite sure. Never thought to look at a BJJ guy getting off the ground because it doesn't happen very often.
     
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    In the BJJ class where I study we discuss and practice it reasonably often.
     
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    Not to say that BJJ practioners never get up but in the MMA matches I've seen they tend to keep on the ground if they get there.
     
  12. Brian R. VanCise

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    True, but they do have a very specific way of getting up
    when they need to. I will try to describe it to you. When
    sitting down put your right hand palm down and your left
    foot flat on the ground. That way you can actually lift your
    physical weight by pushing up. Next you bring your right
    foot through on the inside of your right hand and stand up!
    This is an extremly effective way of standing up. While
    doing this your left hand is guarding your upper body and
    head while your right foot should be chambered so that you
    could kick if needed. And if that doesn't help just go to
    barns and noble and look at Royler & Renzo's book where
    it is laid out in detail! Hope that helps.

    Brian R. VanCise
     
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    Brain just gave an excellent description. Yes, in many MMA fights, you'll see the person laying there, hoping that the other guy will fall into that 'trap' and get back to the ground. I have see though, fighters use the method described to get back to their feet. In addition, its one thing to stay or want to stay down in a MMA fight, but if you found yourself on the ground on the street, that is probably not the best place to be, and I'd hope that they would know how to get back up.

    Mike
     
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    Good description. We're told to thrust out a kick with the right leg first (inside of the leg facing up) to buy a little time and space.
     
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    I'm still having a hard time getting over the fact that his sig includes quotes from Buddha and Steven Segal...
     
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    I have never been fortunate enough to be knocked down and not have the other guy following me to the ground. I ahve tried other types of ukemi with some success, but I have always been afraid of catching a boot to the teeth if I try to kip-up. You might want to try and work on the backward rolls and use those instead. Either way, if you do decide to try it keep your hands up just in case. You might be lucky enough to catch them and do a sindle/double leg takedown. Just a thought.
     
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    What's wrong with Buddha and Steven Segal?

    Actually, I'd have a whole bunch of quotes but I thought it would be tacky to have like 50 quotes for my sig.123
     

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