Yes, we agree. Agreed, again. Yes, but I didn't say it couldn't be done - I said it wasn't meaningful to do so. The smaller repetoire of boxing can be as much or more effective than kenpo if the kenpo person's training methodology is not as effective as boxing's. This goes back to your point of boxing being "inferior" for the street - it depends on *how* they've trained, as much as *what* they've trained. Fair enough, although that sounds like an issue for the instructor. However, the fact that they can make it work anyway, kind of works to my point..... Well, I'm certainly not advocating over-relying on anything, just so we're clear. No idea where you are coming up with that. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not intentionally trying to strawman me here. While I get your point about efficiency, as they say, "a win is a win". The opponent "ran off" for a reason, right? Heh, that depends on how good your opponent is, yes? It's actually much harder to break collar bones and knees than most people realize, FWIW. Guys kick each other in the knee all the time in the UFC. I think you missed my point. Being sick or injured is going to 'screw you', no matter what you train.