Is Wing Chun being used the wrong way in fighting?

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  1. James.H1515

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    Traditional Wing Chun. The basic idea is this. Yes structure is important, DAMN important, as a tool to train BUT the human body is a wonderful thing. As an example, you dont need to have the perfect man sau/wu sau to protect your center. The hands can be clenched, or half open etc. The point is to have your hands and arms in the correct orientation to protect your center. I don't want to lean at my waist into my opponent, begging him to take my head off, but if I move my head out of the way of a strike that I did not intercept, that's okay. I want to use footwork to maintain a proper structure but the purpose of that structure is to maintain my center/balance. That is something you feel. You can not dictate what an opponent will do, you can simply deal with what happens. If you become trapped in the idea of maintaining a perfect stance the unexpected will bite you in the ***. (btw this, sadly, comes from real experience in real fights on the street for too many years, luckily this month signals only 5 more to go).

    In short its about adhering to the principles and not getting trapped in the dogma.
     
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    Following up on the groin kick thing. A lot of the teaching I've seen specifically around groin kicks assumes they are fight-enders, and so doesn't include defensive cover in case the technique fails or is ineffective. I saw a video just yesterday of a guy sneaking in a quick groin kick on a police officer, and getting KTFO in response. One groin kick, one quick grunt and a punch in rapid reply. Game over.

    Your training almost certainly includes assuming the kick might not remove the guy from the fight.
     
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    "The old one, two." Pretty common. Maybe the only thing more common is a jab.
     
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    If I'm in there, it's either a mistake, or because I saw an opening to grapple (to stop them hitting me). Don't like it in there, not a bit.
     
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    I think that's common in a lot of TMA. There's an approach to developing principles that uses specific stances and such, which are exaggerations (IMO) of the principles. They're meant for development, not for fighting - you transition to using those principles (but not the teaching modes) in a fight.
     
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    I think he meant both are available, whereas when blocking only the one is.
     
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    Ok, Hulk. :D
     
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    This guy is great...and hilarious.



     
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    ^^^^ He is one of Lyte Burly's teachers (52 Blocks guy).
     
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    I didn’t know that. What be says about WC and martial arts in general makes a lot of sense to me.
     
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    I resemble that remark!
     
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    Here is a recent video of. WC guy vs MT. Some WC concepts but notice what the fight ends up looking like.

    Thoughts?

     
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    Billed as "style vs. style"....."Wing Chun vs. Muay Thai." But Wing Chun guy doing high covers, spin kicks and some pretty ineffective chain punches.....and wins by a rear naked choke on the ground! By Wing Chun logic....why didn't we see him charge in, establish a dominant inside position that the opponent couldn't escape from, and finish him off with his devastating WSLVT punch????
     
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    That WC vs. MT clip shows to

    - catch your opponent's roundhouse kick and sweep his standing leg.
    - choke your opponent's throat from behind in the ground game.

    has great value in combat. IMO, all MA systems should train this kind of skill. It should not have any style boundary.

     
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    Fighters/human beings are not static. People move around lol. Sure if someone stands still, as often the case drills you see at MA schools you can pull off your Tan Sao and move in or outside and chain punch him. But in the real world it rarely ever plays out like that. This is why, IMO, these fights break down to sloppy boxing when it involves a WC guy. He realizes he has to move and move fast with distances not in optimal range. They have to then resort to other ways of moving and punching themselves due to the lack of mobility and distance control.
     
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    At 14.7, the MT guy throws a right roundhouse kick, instead of moving back, the WC guy moves in, catches the kicking leg, sweeps the standing leg, and takes his opponent down.

    This is another good example that if you don't want to fight your opponent from sun raise until sun set, when you opponent moves in, you should take the risk and move in too.
     
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    “Many Ving Tsun people don’t know how to fight … They don’t understand how to apply the concepts of Ving Tsun . This means that the students are concentrating too much on the individual technique rather than seeing the whole situation . They cannot appreciate the theory which would suggest a technique.”
    Wong Shun Leung

    “The other major thing that gives these limited sports martial arts a huge edge over Wing Chun is pure athleticism.”
    MMA Fighter
     

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