Is Taekwondo Closed-Minded?

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  1. Gnarlie

    Gnarlie Master of Arts

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    I think that might be an autocorrect, but afflicted with KKW quite well describes the situation I am in.
     
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    Gnarlie Master of Arts

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    Yes. If it sometimes seems like people here at MT can butt heads and be a bit stubborn, think of all those people out there who aren't online exploring other's opinions and challenging their own. Scary.
     
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    I think people who did one and the same martial art their whole life, tend to be scared of other martial arts. I mean more in the way to maybe get disappointed by their own martial art.

    I know a couple of Wing-Tsun instructors who keep telling after 15-20 years of practising Wing-Tsun, that they do not want sparring because Wing-Tsun would be too deadly, these are usually the same people who claim that a martial art that doesn't take 10 years to actually learn, is not effective.

    The people who know what is actually going on and seriously respect other martial arts are " mostly " ( not always ) people who have been doing many different martial arts over the years.

    it's like with food, people who tried many different foods, even foods that they did not know before, are much more open and understanding when it comes to eating habits, than people who were raised with eating the same range of food their whole life and don't want to try something new, these people usually also claim that stuff that is different, would not taste, without even trying it.

    It's exactly the same with martial arts.
     
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  4. Gnarlie

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    I don't find that at all, but maybe the people I train with are more open minded than most. Who knows....
     
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    I thought it was just me and I don't even study Taekwondo, but I do know the purpose of a bow stance and when it's too wide.
     
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    Why would you (and the video) then claim that he's an ITF 9th dan?

    Pax,

    Chris
     
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    Maybe it depends also from the martial art they actually train.
     
  8. Gnarlie

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    Or maybe qualities like open or closed mindedness are qualities of people rather than arts?
     
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    Or (as most people will realize already) being open- or close-minded is a personality trait, not one that is attributable to any martial art.
     
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    So, JohnnyEnglish, you clicked "Disagree" on this. Can you provide an explanation why you disagree with the statement that open- or close-mindedness is a personality trait?

    Or are you just so close-minded that you cannot accept that possibility that your statement is wrong?
     
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    I would agree with this and add that closed and open minded people tend to find others like themselves to associate with.
     
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    Personally, I find that there are really only two kinds of people in the world. Those who categorize people, and those who don't.
     
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    Like there are three types of people who can do maths, those that can and those that can't..............
     
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    There are two types of people in this world, those that finish what they start, and those that.
     
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    I think there may be some confusion as to what he calls chambering. On his "chambered" side kick, he is stepping up with his back leg and kicking with his front. On his "unchambered" side kick, there's no step, he's just kicking with the front leg. It appears to me that the mechanic of the kick is the same in both cases.

    Yes, the non-stepping side kick (what we call a #1 kick) will be faster. It is very defensive; somebody attacks, you feed them the foot and ruin their day for them. The stepping kick (what we call a #3 kick) is by definition slower, but it does generate more power overall because you are moving into the target instead of standing still.
     
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    Just like there are 10 kinds of people who understand binary: those that do and those that don't. :)
     
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    There are two kinds of people: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data sets ...
    ;)
     
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    The people in those clubs may not know any better, because they're probably doing it how they were taught and never thought to watch KKW DVDs to check. They'd probably correct the new person - if the new person joined at all, which they probably wouldn't.

    But the existence these days of so many KKW resources like DVDs and detailed books means that it's easy (if you're willing to look) to find out that you were taught wrong and what changes you need to make in how you're performing the form. I've had to do that before. But you have to have an open mind and be willing to admit that you're wrong. And then be willing to practice the right way a bunch of times.
     
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    Wow. I watched the first one and went "wellllllll, there are some issues there, but it's not awful", and then I watched the rest of the videos and it just got worse and worse. That NuYu lady - what, even, what is she doing. That's so bad, I can't even. I feel so bad for her students.
     
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    Or, more accurately, that there is more than one way to do things. Not just the KKW way. I'll agree that if you're doing the Taegeuk poomsae, you really should do them to the KKW standard. But that does not mean that the KKW way of doing ap kubi is the "correct" way in any other context. The way the Moo Duk Kwan teaches ap kubi is longer, wider, deeper and equally correct. If you're in a Moo Duk Kwan dojang.123
     
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