How many of you BJJ guys train hip throws (Ogashi)?

You can still get choked after a failed hip throw while standing. I call it the spider monkey because some a-hole jumps on your back and makes your life hell.

The point is if you screw up the hip throw, it's open season because you've given someone your back, which is probably the most dominant position in grappling. You might as well put a "please submit me" sign on your back, because anyone who knows what they're doing will capitalize on your screw up.

Like DB said, there's safer takedowns. The DLT is so common because its relatively low risk, and pretty easy to pull off.

 

I think it should be the other way around. If someone

- takes my back, I can have many counters.
- puts a reverse head lock (guillotine) on me, his body weight can crash on top of my neck until I'm flat on the ground. No matter how strong that I'm, my neck is not strong enough to handle his full body weight.

 

This is why IMO the head lock is better than the hip throw. Instead of giving your opponent a chance to choke you. You can choke him first. Before your arm can lock on your opponent's head, your forearm can hit on the back of his head and knock him out half way already. Head lock has integrated the striking into the throw and hit throw has not. The hip throw is more sport than combat. In a fist flying environment, the hip throw is too civilized and conservative.

For any throw, if you enter through the mirror stance angle (you have right forward, your opponent has left forward), your opponent can't take your back.

 

The headlock is actually easier to counter than the hip throw. It's one of the first counter moves a white belt learns in Bjj, and it's probably that way in other MAs.

 

There are over 20 different ways to counter a "head lock". But if you can crash your opponent's spine "side way" (not forward), none of his counter will work.

 

Of course you can. But you are not taking advantage on the nature physics.

The following are natural physics.

- A tall person apply foot sweep on a short guy.
- A short guy uses shoulder throw on a tall guy.
- A strong guy uses casting throw on a light weight guy.
- ...

 

You have to be strong to throw your opponent by "casting".

 

Sometime MA discussion has to be binary and you have to choose side. If I say,

-"Do whatever you think is right for you."
- "Everything is just a trade off.
- "There is no absolute right, and there is no absolute wrong."
- "Sometime right is wrong, and sometime wrong is right."
- "I don't like to ague. most of the time I just have no option."
- ...

You may say, "If you shut up, nobody will think that you are mute."

 

Do you agree with the following binary statement.

- Narrow stance is risky for double legs and foot sweep.
- Wide stance is risky for single leg and leg spring.

 

You have to be SO bad that you would try it on a resisting opponent in a dynamic situation where you can't perfectly predict the other guys every step.

 

They might not be as safe as double and single leg take downs... but they are fun to watch!!!



Here are some more... okay some of these are wrestling throws as well, but a good throw is a good throw, is a good throw...



That allen wrench might not be your go to, works every where tool... but when you have a problem that it can solve, you are very glad to have one.

 

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Nailed the answer, KFW.

There IS a throw that "looks like" you're using a headlock to hip throw the opponent. Koshi guruma (head wheel). Entry is just like O-goshi with the lead arm taking the off-balance, entering leg placing almost exactly where you'd place it for O-goshi. But, rear/power hand slides up and over the opponent's near shoulder, around the back of the neck and down the other side of the neck into what we traditionally call the headlock position.

To do the trow right, it's not "Hips Up, Head Down." It's a twisting, torque, rotational vector applied down the line (I know it's not straight) of the spine.

Once they go up at the hips, you "could" add some extra tobasco to it and pop your own hips, but it's not necessary. That's just be for show, or to be a d**k.

 

The under hook is more suitable for hip throw. The nice thing about the under hook is you only need to use one arm to lift under your opponent's shoulder.

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