How many of you BJJ guys train hip throws (Ogashi)?

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  1. Alan Smithee

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    Not if you're competent
     
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    No throw is foolproof, no matter how competent you are.

    In fact, in my school we were taught to avoid hip throws entirely because they can leave you vulnerable. Like I said, there's a reason you don't see them much in MMA and sport BJJ.
     
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    MMA is no gi. You see them in BJJ whenever a black belt judoka competes
     
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    Do you know of any black belt judokas competing (and winning) in elite Bjj tournaments?

    I don't.
     
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    I don't know if they won the tournament but they have performed various hip throws.
     
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    Care to provide some examples? I've never seen it happen.
     
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    Sure




     
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    You said "various", not one or two hip throws thrown in the entire match.
     
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    I wrote that various hip throws have been performed. I did not write anything about various in the same match, that's your inference.
     
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    I misunderstood what you meant then. My mistake.
     
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    So you have seen hip throws in a BJJ competition?
     
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    Grappling arts have a lot of takedowns. It's unlikely any given takedown would be seen every week.
     
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    I visited another BJJ school for comparison. They train takedowns positionally every session but only spar standing once a week, in the competitors group. No hip throw that session.

    By contrast, the instructor for my club said "start standing all sparring rounds". Not sure if that is equivalent to "every sparring session".
     
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    Re-read post #22. I said that you don't see them much. I never said that you don't see them at all.
     
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    Can you please break down how you avoid a back take?
     
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    Do they go for back takes in Judo stand up?
     
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    No idea.
     
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    Anybody who train "hip throw" should know this.

    1. Don't rotate your body. You cut in from the side in a mirror stance (you have right side forward, your opponent has left side forward).
    2. Use under hook (or cracking) to control your opponent's free arm so that free arm won't wrap around your waist.
    3. Don't let your opponent's leading hand to reach to your leg.
    4. Don't allow your opponent to stay in horse stance. Spring his foot and force him into a bow-arrow stance.

    No body rotation in this hip throw. He cuts in from a side angle.

     
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    Here are some back taken. The hand on the back of the leg and the hand around the waist can give one some trouble.



     
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    That's Shaio Jiao (sp?), not Judo.

    Btw, any groundfighting in SJ?123
     

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