How many months until you reach diminishing returns stretching?

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  1. Acronym

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    For those of you who have returned after some time off and had a routine training regime, how long would say it took until you reached your peak flexibility?
     
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    I still haven’t.
     
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    I think the reality is that flexibility changes over time. Even if we can stretch to the same limits few can do as much with it as they used to.
    Honestly I need to stretch more. I feel better when I stretch every day.
    Time is a bad measurement. Stretching is a piece of the puzzle.
     
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    You don't lose any grip strength/fast twitch muscle fibers in your 50s. So no reason why you shouldn't be able to do the same things if you have the same flexibility. You simply haven't updated your body enough.
     
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    Lungs have obviously deteriorated s you can't do it for as long, but in spurts... no prevention whatsoever. grip strength is one of the last things to go.
     
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    no not really, from your late 20s onwards you will likely loose about 1% of your muscle mass a year, more and earlier if your not particularly active, its quite easy to get to your mid 30s having lost 10% of your muscle mass, which is a greater problem if you didnt have much muscle to start off with

    that degeneration can also be a major player in loss of mobility, skinny muscles dont stretch as far
     
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    As someone in his 50’s, this is an overly simplistic view of the issue. There’s far more at play as the body ages.
     
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    That’s higher than what I thought I remembered. Can you point me to a source to update me?
     
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    I wrote: IF flexibility remains the same. If it does not remain the same, then my statement does not hold true.

    The other USER claimed that his flexibility was the same
     
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    There's a couple of intruding variables that create the perception of greater degeneration. First is weight gain. Gaining weight negatively affects ones technique. If you don't adjust to this weight change, you will ingrain this into a new muscle memory, creating the distorted perception of being slower, when all you've done is added a backpack to your body.

    There is also the flexibility aspect. Suppose you need more work to keep it up but you don't adjust to this new fact, then you will be stiffer and technique will suffer accordingly.

    Lungs however will degrade. This is completely irreversible. And your reaction time is much much worse, making it less appropriate to compete in fighting.
     
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    1:11

    66 years old

    Fast twitch does NOT go away...

     
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    Still overt simplistic. You injure more easily and don’t heal as fast. Some things that didn’t seem to matter now show up as wear and tear.
     
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    I thought we were comparing uninjured individuals.. You can be injured and inhibited at 15 too
     
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    its not a particularly easy figure to come up with, as it rather depends on the terms of reference of the study and at what age they measured the base line, ive seen a multitude of figures quoted, a lb a year, 1% per year 8% per decade

    there are two complimentary issue, one is aging and the other is inactivity and the fact there is a tendency for them to go together, which makes it difficult to decided which one is the main culprit


    someone who is very active may only loose 3% muscle mass a decade, infract if they are body building they can keep putting it on to their 70s, they just have to build more than they loose in a year

    couple it with a sedentary life style and it could be almost any figure at any age, dependent on just how sedentary they are and for how long

    you can loose 2 or three pounds in a couple of weeks not moving much or at all, which considering a heathy 200 lb male could have 140lb of muscle isnt going to be noticed, till its ratcheted up quite a lot, a skinny under develop male and its very notable very quickly. the drop in strength through inactivity is factors higher than the drop in muscle mass, but as they get weaker they do less so the muscle mass decreases more
     
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    flexability, well more accuratly mobility( flexability is no use at all), NEVER remains the same, like every other bodily function it's either increasing or diminishing at least over a reasonable time interval
     
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    I'm talking about noticeable differences to the naked eye
     
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    well yea, noticeable differences over a month or three
     
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    There is some truth to that.
     
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    Same here.. lol probably not a good answer for me. Being that it feels like I've started all over again. I'll be happy once I lose that Tingle sensation in my back. Nerves are still jacked up. Flexibility is shot. All summer gains of hard training out the door. I'm not sure what Maximum flexibility is. But I think I can get to this point.


    I just need a really tall mountain and some cheese. I should hit maximum flexibility after the 3rd or 4th bounce
     
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    That is truly epic... that must've been a really Gouda cheese.....123
     

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