Hoshinryjitsu

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  1. john2054

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    Hi, am I the only one around here who has read up on, and is a strong admirer of the late dr Glenn Morris' school of Hoshin? Note Glenn recognised the importance of achieving a post graduate qualification, and even incorporated it into the syllabus for certain higher grade ranks. I don't know if you already knew this?
     
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    Sorry, I don't think I've heard of this person. Is he connected in some ways to the To shin do orginization or Mr. Hayes perhaps?
     
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    So far after looking this system up I've read:
    'Soke' used wrong,
    'Lydia the magic sword', nuff said,
    And possibly the most damming, this video:

    Where there is blatant theft of kata from a koryu system, passed off as their own.
    Not a fan.

    Edit: upon rereading, I'm not sure if this comes across as fraud busting, which was not my intention. Just to clarify in case it came across as such.
    Sanke on the move.
     
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    I do not at all understand what you are saying with the post graduate qualification issue. Does that mean one would need to get a graduate degree from a university? In what topic? anything? Accounting? And how is this relevant to martial training?

    Or does it mean a "post graduate level of martial understanding" or something like that? How is that established? What does that even mean? Who makes the determination?

    Or is it something else altogether? I don't get it.
     
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    Without speaking too ill of the departed, Glenn Morris was a rather odd one.... he took a bit of this, a bit of that, mainly some Chinese aspects and Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu combined with some, in instances, bizarre "spiritual" ideas (mostly dealing with the concept of Kundalini), and came up with "Hoshinjutsu", declaring himself "Soke". He had a very different sense of reality and dealing with it, which was made possible due to his natural charisma. Among other things, he claimed to have had a dream where Takamatsu Sensei (who passed on some 10 years or more before Glenn even started training in the Bujinkan arts) appeared to him, dressed in a purple gi (for some reason...) and told him (Glenn) that he was worthless, terrible, not worthy of a white belt etc, which Glenn took as a very positive sign(?). His take was that Takamatsu wouldn't "bother" to turn up in Glenn's dream unless Glenn was really worthy...

    Since he passed on the organisation has basically split into a few different groups, such as the Hoshin Budo Ryu and the Hoshin Roshi Ryu, with many basically stealing the kata of established systems to fill out their own with no understanding whatsoever. There is the above forms of Katori Shinto Ryu Iai, as well as Ed Glimmle (in the UK) taking the kata of Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu and more.

    All in all, a system that survived primarily due to it's charismatic leader, and has not gone much further since his passing. Not something that is hugely respected, to be frank.

    Himura, the only connection to Toshindo is that both Glenn and Steve Hayes studied under Hatsumi Sensei in Japan, and attended some seminars together. In other words, there isn't any connection between Toshindo and Hoshinjutsu (in any of it's forms).
     
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    Hi flying crane, despite what some others on this site may believe, I think the idea behind getting a degree honours is in order to complete a certain level of accomplishment which requires complete devotion. This is not directly relevant to martial training, but it is relevant to the arts systema in general. Getting a degree, be it accounting (which I can imagine is looked down upon from not university people), or Sociology what I am studying, is really quite a comendable feat in and as of itself. The amount of reading required is quite formidable, and the fact that Mr Morris has been the only soke to make this direct connection shows to me the depth and profundity of his level of insight in bringing the arts to the modern age. I come from a family of academics. Both of my parents and my sister and both grandfathers were ones. Me following in their footsteps is less a question of destiny and more one of hard work. I can worry about doing Aikido after I have completed this primary mode of study, thanks!
     
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    I think purple for a Gi is very nice though I'd prefer more of a lilac/mauve one myself. Purple can be a bit full on, though it's a regal colour.
     
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    And now you owe me a screen!

    you probably weren't around when this guy was trolling the boards ten or eleven years ago. Between his borderline psychosis and his lousy english, it was to die laughing!

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    In his books, Dr. Morris stated that while teaching (academic) at Hillsdale he and some of the students sought to create a martial art which could be an effective form of self-defense for persons of smaller size and lesser strength. After much experimentation they came up with Hoshinroshiryu. Later, when he was exposed to the teachings of the Bujinkan, he saw that they (the Bujinkan) did it better. He was subsequently ranked at 8th or 10th dan by Hatsumi-soke. I believe that the 10th might have been posthumous. He continued through his life to teach Hoshinroshiryu, stealing liberally from the Booj as well as from other sources (and said as much).
    Personally, I have no problem with anyone declaring themselves grandmaster of a style which they themselves have invented, so long as they are up front about the whole thing, and don't try to make up history or steal the name of an established system.
     
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    Yeah, the Judan was a posthumous honourary rank, from memory.

    Let's clear something up. Glenn Morris was not a Soke. He was misusing a term that didn't mean what he thought it meant. The founder of a system is not a Soke, they are only ever referred to as "Soke" by later generations (for a range of reasons), it is a title inherited from the previous generation head only, not from a committee, not from a ranking panel, and certainly not self-appointed. It'd be like pronouncing yourself King and wondering why people look at you funny.
     
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    Hi Chris, two things I want to say now. Firstly every post i make here on this site follows with heaps on negative feedback. To this I only have to ask why? I can but assume that there are people involved with the running of this site who have got serious attitude problems. Next with regards to soke Glenn Morris' title, that is what we in the Hoshin fraternity, on the Hoshin Nexus for one thing, refer to him as as the founder of our worldwide style of Hoshinryujutsu. Please read pathnotes if you want to learn more about this great teacher. And DON'T leave more negative feedback for this post! man.
     
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    5) Before I lock this thread, return to the original topic!

    OK MJS, Ninjas, yeah I believe in them! <grin>
     
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    Apparently some people can't follow direction.

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