Holy Crap! Someone gets it! Mike Huckabee on gun control...

[Cruentus]

Mike Huckabee seems to be the ONLY one of the canidates who really isn't afraid to address the 2nd amendment and what it is really for...

HUCKABEE: And the Second Amendment is not about hunting. I get so frustrated when some candidates asked about the Second Amendment, they start telling me, "Well, I have a hunting license, and I`m a member of the NRA." Look, so do I. It`s not about the Second Amendment.

The Second Amendment is about freedom. It`s about protecting ourselves, our families, our property, and ultimately, if necessary -- I know this sounds pretty bold -- but from our own government, when they get out of control. That`s what it`s all about.

BECK: So you tell me what they should have done after Katrina in New Orleans, when they went door to door to take the guns -- you know, Newt Gingrich just said...

HUCKABEE: The Department of Justice should have -- instead of supporting that, should have said, "My gosh, you can`t do that."

BECK: They`re not going to do that. They`re not going to do that, Governor. You know that and I know that.

HUCKABEE: Well, I wouldn`t appoint an attorney general, as president, who didn`t understand what the Second Amendment did, and it gives the rights to individuals, not to geographical locations, not to police entities. It gives that as a fundamental right, just in the same way -- if we value the First Amendment, then we have to value the Second. And I don`t understand why more people, particularly in the media, who embrace, love, and herald the First Amendment, don`t realize that, once you start chipping away at any of them, you chip away at all of them.

BECK: So let me go back. You are a citizen, and Newt Gingrich just gave a speech where he said, "I don`t think people are paying attention to their liberties." He said, "All it`s going to take is one city to be destroyed, and they`ll come and take all your liberties, and we will hand it to the federal government."

So you tell me. The federal government says, "We`ve got to get all these handguns, we`ve got to get all these guns off the street," and they come knocking at your door, and they say, "Governor, I`m sorry, I`m here for any gun that you might have." What do you say?

HUCKABEE: Well, being the first governor in America with a concealed carry permit, they need to understand something: They`re not going to do that, because that is an ultimate violation of my basic constitutional right to protect myself.

And unless I`m a criminal, they have no right to confiscate anything from me, especially -- see, they`re not confiscating my firearm. Here`s what we`ve got to understand. They`re confiscating my constitutional rights. And once they take that one away, then they can take away every other right, the right of a fair trial, the right of speech, the right of assembly, the right of worship. It doesn`t stop.

And I`m not trying to be some, you know, radical guy. I`m just trying to say that this is a dangerous precedent, and those people who defend the destruction of the Second Amendment need to think through where they`re headed with that.

Amen. I am really starting to like this guy.

Here is the transcript and link to the video on youtube (the part about 2nd amendment is about 5 min. in)

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0710/19/gb.01.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKHve5gd5yM&feature=related

 

[Steel Tiger]

Not being an American I have different views on this, but that being said there are some things here I find odd. I think that Huckabee is exactly right about this sort of thing being a slippery slope. From what little I know of the US Constitution wouldn't what happened after Katrina be a violation of the Fourteenth Amendment? Or does it only apply to the states? As I understand it, this amendment is supposed to clearly define citizenship and thus who is covered by the Bill of Rights.

Of course, it is an obvious violation of the Second Amendment no matter what the excuse.

 

[tellner]

Wow. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

 

[grydth]

Wow. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Ah, but that is twice as many times as the other side on this issue.

I am always amazed with the arguement that the Founders - being who they were/what they did/what they wrote - only intended to confer rights upon governments and not individuals. That is so out of place. Like them or not, agree with them or not, the Bill of Rights was never intended to be a Socialist document.

Two plus centuries of private firearms ownership has just been a big misunderstanding? Thanks, but I prefer watchinf the dead clock.

 

[Cruentus]

What frustrates me is when politicians don't want to talk about what the 2nd amendment is really for; that being self-defense. Instead, we usually get "I'm a recreational shooter too" along with pictures like this:

Not to pick on John Kerry, because republicans do it too; it's just that no one wants to talk about the real issue because they are afraid of what a sheltered public might think. It's nice to see someone with a bit of honesty on this issue, at least...

 

[elder999]

Not to pick on John Kerry, because republicans do it too; it's just that no one wants to talk about the real issue because they are afraid of what a sheltered public might think. It's nice to see someone with a bit of honesty on this issue, at least...

If they were really going to be honest, they'd point out that all the mechanisms are in place-and have been for some time-to come and confiscate guns when there's a perceived 'need" to. This is why they don't touch the issue-to keep the public "sheltered," so that when the police/Federal Marshall/ATF agent/ National Guard detail shows up at your doorstep for your guns, you give them to them....

 

[newGuy12]

Mike Huckabee seems to be the ONLY one of the canidates who really isn't afraid to address the 2nd amendment and what it is really for...



Amen. I am really starting to like this guy.

He's the only Republican that I would vote for. And, Chuck Norris is throwing his weight behind him!

 

[newGuy12]

If they were really going to be honest, they'd point out that all the mechanisms are in place-and have been for some time-to come and confiscate guns when there's a perceived 'need" to. This is why they don't touch the issue-to keep the public "sheltered," so that when the police/Federal Marshall/ATF agent/ National Guard detail shows up at your doorstep for your guns, you give them to them....

It won't be until after the North American Union is in place. But, it won't be long afterwards, I don't think. I would still vote for this Huckabee guy, though, if he won the primary.

 

[michaeledward]

Not to pick on John Kerry,... ...

It does seem that despite your protestations of 'not to pick on ... ', you seem to use examples that do exactly that.

I will probably get in trouble for mentioning it again here in the Firing Range ... but, boy is it frustrating when the other 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights get trashed, and nobody cries out that Somebody gets it.

 

[elder999]

... but, boy is it frustrating when the other 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights get trashed, and nobody cries out that Somebody gets it.

Well, that's 'cause nobody gets it, and no one will until it's too late....have a look here......I'm done crying out-I'm doing my best to keep my head down, my powder dry and watch my six-know where my water and food come from, have a good network of friends, and unlike most, I'm prepared to weather the storm......and so I shall...and so I shall.

 

[newGuy12]

Well, that's 'cause nobody gets it, and no one will until it's too late....have a look here......I'm done crying out-I'm doing my best to keep my head down, my powder dry and watch my six-know where my water and food come from, have a good network of friends, and unlike most, I'm prepared to weather the storm......and so I shall...and so I shall.

And I for one bid you Good Luck in your Quest (you'll need it)! If you can hold out long enough, remember this one thing:

Take one with you, and you are even. Everybody after that is cake!

 

[Grenadier]

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[Cruentus]

It does seem that despite your protestations of 'not to pick on ... ', you seem to use examples that do exactly that.

I will probably get in trouble for mentioning it again here in the Firing Range ... but, boy is it frustrating when the other 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights get trashed, and nobody cries out that Somebody gets it.

People shouldn't throw stones in glass houses.

You can't complain of the double standard of supporting only some amendments and not supporting others if you yourself do not support the 2nd amendment while supporting the other amendments.

 

[elder999]

Well, Ron Paul 'gets it" too:

http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul_Gun_Control.htm

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst062606.htm

 

[Blotan Hunka]

People shouldn't throw stones in glass houses.

You can't complain of the double standard of supporting only some amendments and not supporting others if you yourself do not support the 2nd amendment while supporting the other amendments.

Ignore button dude. Its worth the investment.

 

[michaeledward]

People shouldn't throw stones in glass houses.

You can't complain of the double standard of supporting only some amendments and not supporting others if you yourself do not support the 2nd amendment while supporting the other amendments.

I don't think that I have ever said that I don't support the 2nd Amendment. I have often fought with those who place it above the rest.

 

[Cruentus]

I don't think that I have ever said that I don't support the 2nd Amendment. I have often fought with those who place it above the rest.

So, you do support the second amendment, but you just don't think it should be put above the rest?

If that is what you are saying, then fair enough.

But the real question is, do you support the right to bear arms as an individual right, or do you think that this amendment needs special interpretations that the other 9 amendments don't have to have?

 

[Rich Parsons]

Ignore button dude. Its worth the investment.

Yes it is. I have a very short list. But it is worth it.

 

[michaeledward]

So, you do support the second amendment, but you just don't think it should be put above the rest?

If that is what you are saying, then fair enough.

But the real question is, do you support the right to bear arms as an individual right, or do you think that this amendment needs special interpretations that the other 9 amendments don't have to have?

The Second Amendment to the Constitution reads

A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

and I have always supported it as written.



As to your claims of 'special interpretations' ~ well, there's the rub, isn't it. You are making the supposition that there aren't 'special interpretations' in place with the other Amendments in the Bill of Rights. It is a supposition not in line with the facts.


But, you go on and make the accusation that about what I do and don't support. Smear accomplished.

 

[Cruentus]

But, you go on and make the accusation that about what I do and don't support. Smear accomplished.

Well, now your just being a dick. I am making a conjecture based on what you have said here and previously. If my conjecture is wrong, you could say so. But if your going to be like this, then we'll save it for another thread at another time. I am not even entirely sure if this is on topic anyhow...