Holy Crap! Someone gets it! Mike Huckabee on gun control...

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  1. Cruentus

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    Mike Huckabee seems to be the ONLY one of the canidates who really isn't afraid to address the 2nd amendment and what it is really for...

    Amen. I am really starting to like this guy.

    Here is the transcript and link to the video on youtube (the part about 2nd amendment is about 5 min. in)

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0710/19/gb.01.html

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKHve5gd5yM&feature=related
     
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    Not being an American I have different views on this, but that being said there are some things here I find odd. I think that Huckabee is exactly right about this sort of thing being a slippery slope. From what little I know of the US Constitution wouldn't what happened after Katrina be a violation of the Fourteenth Amendment? Or does it only apply to the states? As I understand it, this amendment is supposed to clearly define citizenship and thus who is covered by the Bill of Rights.

    Of course, it is an obvious violation of the Second Amendment no matter what the excuse.
     
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    Wow. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
     
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    Ah, but that is twice as many times as the other side on this issue.

    I am always amazed with the arguement that the Founders - being who they were/what they did/what they wrote - only intended to confer rights upon governments and not individuals. That is so out of place. Like them or not, agree with them or not, the Bill of Rights was never intended to be a Socialist document.

    Two plus centuries of private firearms ownership has just been a big misunderstanding? Thanks, but I prefer watchinf the dead clock.
     
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    What frustrates me is when politicians don't want to talk about what the 2nd amendment is really for; that being self-defense. Instead, we usually get "I'm a recreational shooter too" along with pictures like this:

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    Not to pick on John Kerry, because republicans do it too; it's just that no one wants to talk about the real issue because they are afraid of what a sheltered public might think. It's nice to see someone with a bit of honesty on this issue, at least...
     
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    If they were really going to be honest, they'd point out that all the mechanisms are in place-and have been for some time-to come and confiscate guns when there's a perceived 'need" to. This is why they don't touch the issue-to keep the public "sheltered," so that when the police/Federal Marshall/ATF agent/ National Guard detail shows up at your doorstep for your guns, you give them to them....
     
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    He's the only Republican that I would vote for. And, Chuck Norris is throwing his weight behind him!
     
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    It won't be until after the North American Union is in place. But, it won't be long afterwards, I don't think. I would still vote for this Huckabee guy, though, if he won the primary.
     
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    It does seem that despite your protestations of 'not to pick on ... ', you seem to use examples that do exactly that.

    I will probably get in trouble for mentioning it again here in the Firing Range ... but, boy is it frustrating when the other 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights get trashed, and nobody cries out that Somebody gets it.
     
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    Well, that's 'cause nobody gets it, and no one will until it's too late....have a look here......I'm done crying out-I'm doing my best to keep my head down, my powder dry and watch my six-know where my water and food come from, have a good network of friends, and unlike most, I'm prepared to weather the storm......and so I shall...and so I shall.
     
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    People shouldn't throw stones in glass houses.

    You can't complain of the double standard of supporting only some amendments and not supporting others if you yourself do not support the 2nd amendment while supporting the other amendments.
     
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    Ignore button dude. Its worth the investment.
     
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    I don't think that I have ever said that I don't support the 2nd Amendment. I have often fought with those who place it above the rest.
     
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    So, you do support the second amendment, but you just don't think it should be put above the rest?

    If that is what you are saying, then fair enough.

    But the real question is, do you support the right to bear arms as an individual right, or do you think that this amendment needs special interpretations that the other 9 amendments don't have to have?
     
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    The Second Amendment to the Constitution reads

    and I have always supported it as written.



    As to your claims of 'special interpretations' ~ well, there's the rub, isn't it. You are making the supposition that there aren't 'special interpretations' in place with the other Amendments in the Bill of Rights. It is a supposition not in line with the facts.


    But, you go on and make the accusation that about what I do and don't support. Smear accomplished.
     
  20. Cruentus

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    Well, now your just being a dick. I am making a conjecture based on what you have said here and previously. If my conjecture is wrong, you could say so. But if your going to be like this, then we'll save it for another thread at another time. I am not even entirely sure if this is on topic anyhow...123
     

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