Danjo
Master Black Belt
I've had that happen when someone tries a kick to my knee.
groin/testicle kicks
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I've had that happen when someone tries a kick to my knee.
I look at it this way: There's no honor to be had in a fight. None. I look to avoid fights, and if I'm in a fight, it's either because I was not consulted in the manor (a.k.a. "mugged") or every attempt at de-escalation failed, either on my part or his.
Even looking to avoid fights if at all possible is seen as cowardly to many people. Frankly I don't care what other people think is cowardly. I'm not looking to win a fight. I'm looking to survive a situation in a manner that is as beneficial to everyone involved.
A guy can often walk off a groin attack. It's much harder to walk off a broken leg. If I can end a fight using just pain, rather than really injuring someone, I'm going for that option.
Honor is found in what you do when you're not fighting.
My best advice is to wear a groin protector.
dianhsuhe
Blue Belt
Because an adrenaline dump can, at least temporarily, hide some of the pain of a groin kick-I prefer a kick to the knee.
Even a guy on PCP has a hard time getting to you when they cannot walk..
Better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6.
Even a guy on PCP has a hard time getting to you when they cannot walk..
Better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6.
Totally agree. The response must fit the situation. If I can tell or at least reasonable suspect that a guy if on drugs or beserker rage, I injure rather than use pain-compliance techniques.
But all things being equal, if there's an option for pain-compliance, I'll choose pain-compliance. Some great friends I have are from me showing restraint in a fight. I always look for the peaceful option, if there is one.
shaolinmonkmark
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It must feel good to be nice to your attacker. If your "thinking" (about how/where to strike) your not "doing."
Do I really need to justify having a continuum of force?
Yeah, it does feel good for an attacker to leave as a friend, rather than in a hospital car. Yes I have personally been in this situation, and yes, I could have put the guy on the ground. But I didn't have to to survive.
I'm all for putting a guy in the hospital or even 6 feet underground. If the situation calls for it. But is it okay to do that when the situation doesn't need it?
Absolutely not.
Yeah, it does feel good for an attacker to leave as a friend, rather than in a hospital car. Yes I have personally been in this situation, and yes, I could have put the guy on the ground. But I didn't have to to survive.
I'm all for putting a guy in the hospital or even 6 feet underground. If the situation calls for it. But is it okay to do that when the situation doesn't need it?
Absolutely not.
kungfu penguin
Green Belt
GM Harper is my instructor and he is great!Personally, I view the groin kick just like I do any other target. I do not rely on 1 magical hit to finish the fight, but instead a combination of multiple hits to various targets. While the groin kick may not work, the same can be said about other shots as well. However, the one thing that will happen, is that whatever we hit or attempt to hit, we will get a reaction from the other person, and that is what I'm looking for. That split second reaction will buy me enough time to set up other shots.
This reminds me of the Kajukenbo episode on fight quest, when Doug was working with GM Harper and his group. He was working on self defense. The guy showing him one of the techniques made a point of saying, "You do your first hit, which sets up your second hit, which sets up your third hit."
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Manny
Senior Master
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Thank you very much for your contribution to this post, I am not a trouble maker too so I avoid most of the time altercations or fights with strangers, and don't feel myself as a coward, the cemetery is full of brave people. I you fight there is a chance you will be killed or maimed so I try to avoid fights, I would rather back off and leave the place than to be MACHO and fight just because of this, people these days carries a knife or a gun and this could be a nasty thing to fight for.
I love MA and love to practice them but I never felt I was a superman for this.
Manny
dianhsuhe
Blue Belt
The "Force Continuum" is something I am familiar with having a background in L.E. and while every encounter includes a firearm (my own) there is still "reasonable and prudent" use of force...
Thinking BEFORE doing is an attractive and necessary option!
Taking time to do things right does make you faster over all.
Sean
Thats your job and although it "can" be the same, it is not the same because you are held accountable for your actions to the public (especially these days), as a public servant.
"Doing without thinking" is a level achieved in training. Ignoring it in a real situation can be a matter of life or death. To think anyone can pick and choose targets while someone has weapons or even just there hands and feet is ignorance on the part of the martial art practioner because he's carrying a "false security."
Dicy subject, and I repeat as in other threads, after years of experience, there are those of us who don't hurt that much down there as men because of conditioning or of an inborn genetic high pain threshold, same must be true with women.
multiple strikes and follow up to a knock out blow is the fight ender, not one low strike......
multiple strikes and follow up to a knock out blow is the fight ender, not one low strike......
RTKDCMB
Senior Master
Nothing like a good cods wallop to ruin an attacker's day.
Groin shots are definitely some thing we do in IRT. Like Bill explained about Isshinryu in IRT you never have to kick above the waist unless you really want to. However, one should not rely on a groin shot as an immediate fight stopper just like you should not rely on any single technique as a fight stopper until obviously it actually does stop the fight. Not everyone will react the same to a groin shot. Some will go down, some might cringe but others well they might just get more pissed off. So have multiple strikes a flying and make it very hard for them to continue on after the flurry!
RTKDCMB
Senior Master
You mean some people will get testy.
A groin shot may not always stop a fight but I'm willing to bet if you do it twice that the second time the other guys /gals hands will come down to protect themselves and open the upper body up for attack.
Personally I think the groin shot should be taught and practiced (with control) in any Ma school
Personally I think the groin shot should be taught and practiced (with control) in any Ma school
