Go Belts and Other Gi Items

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  1. jobo

    jobo Grandmaster

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    well no you really don't, black belt level at some clubs requires you to be an elite athlete, with elite athlete levels of fitness.

    clubs thats that hand belts out three times a year, require no more than base level fitness to reach black belt, any other requrement would cut off there money supply, as they would run out of punters very quickly.

    will you get fitter doing karate( at most clubs), yes if the level of fitness you started with is abisminaly low. which to be fair sounds like you

    no, if you started of with average to good fitness in the first place, you may even regress as it not challenging enough
     
  2. pdg

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    Oh, and...

    Doing a quick calculation, you've been training for 6 weeks?

    You wouldn't be eligible to test for your first belt in our club yet - but a lot of people bemoan tkd for allowing progression too quickly.

    Did your regular class not give you the same sort of challenges and also indicate that you should look to get fitter?
     
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    A lot of people do grade for belts and wear uniforms though. So they probably are important.
     
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    That's true to some extent.

    But it depends how you look at it.

    With the level of fitness I had when I started tkd I could easily have coasted through all of it and got to the same grade I'm at now with no actual improvement in my physical condition.

    So the fact I do it hasn't by itself magically made me fitter.

    But I never went into it thinking "doing this will make me fitter" - I went into it thinking more like "I'm going to use this to make me fitter by pushing myself".


    In the same way, going to the gym won't make you stronger just by being there and lifting easy for 5 minutes - pushing yourself is what makes the difference.
     
  5. Rusty B

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    But there's still six dan ranks within black, so there are still milestones to look forward to hitting.
     
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    And there are stripes on bjj coloured belts before black - what makes those less of a milestone than a different colour?
     
  7. Rusty B

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    I'm perfectly capable of walking and chewing bubble gum at the same time. If I'm not physically fit enough to do anything else, I can at least do that.

    Taking 12 to 15 years to make black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu isn't the issue. It's the fact that they are only for grades before that. I need some shorter interval milestones to look forward to hitting if I'm going to stay motivated. Being a blue belt for five years wouldn't fulfill that.

    To take your stairmaster example, sure, one may not be earning belts, but they will see the milestones that they are hitting when they look at the scale.
     
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    As was pointed out earlier, that depends on where you're taking BJJ. Not all of them have that.
     
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    And when you compete you can get medals which are cool as well.
     
  10. pdg

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    But you'll get the same personal milestones while wearing a blue belt as you do with a stairmaster...

    Well, you will if you put the effort in.

    I sort of understand working through grades being a motivation - there are times with my 7 year old daughter that we have to chivvy her along a bit with "if you don't put the effort in you won't be able to get your next belt".

    But you said you're 40 - that's almost as old as me (I started when I was 38) - do you really need the constant external validation?
     
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    I bet I couldn't, what with my huge extensive zero bjj experience...

    Well, unless I get one for turning up - which is kind of the same as some belts ;)
     
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    When I was eyeballing hapkido about a year ago, the dojang I was inquiring at only had two or three adult classes per week.

    In THAT case, I can see it not being possible in six weeks.

    There are seven adult classes per week where I train.

    To answer your last question... the difference is about the same as that between morning PT in the military and taking the PT test.

    That is... until today, so far. My first class as a gold belt, and having to do kicks from the straddle leg stance. I've got much work to do.
     
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    yes, but there's a limit, your still doing the same old thing over again, unless there some step up( progressive overload) in the demands your going to top out pretty quickly.

    back in the olden days when i did kung fu, the training was brutal, not the fight training, that was just the usual that consisted of a lot of standing about with a bit of jumping about,the 40 minutes of circuit train we did at the beginning of class.

    but no one was forcing that, lots stop as soon as it got difficult, some quite a lot before that.

    so i got quite ridiculously fit whilst most walked out in the same rotund out of shape condition they walked in.

    so it depends greatly on what value the instructer put on fitness as to how much of his time and your effort gets devoted to it.

    art that have a competitive outlets seem to devote more to fitness than them that don't, for the simple reason that being unfitter than your opponent is a good way to lose quickly
     
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    If I was a betting man, my money is on the majority of them letting themselves go after the fact.
     
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    You'd be losing that bet...
     
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    Not "external validation," but something measurable to look forward to.
     
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    The demands aren't placed on me by the instructors, they're placed on me by me.
     
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    The basis of my bet? I have yet to see an out-of-shape brown belt.
     
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    No, it's just not possible in 6 weeks.

    There's a minimum of 24 class attendances, and in addition:

    There's a minimum of 3 months, whether you go twice a week or seven times a week.

    You might test after 24 classes, you might do 84. Still got to clock those 3 months.

    If you only go once a week, then the minimum is 6 months.
     
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    Look forward to a different pair of trousers, or a faster time going up the stairs - those are something measurable to look forward to.123
     

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