German Longsword, Messer, Dagger and Spear clip

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  1. Langenschwert

    Langenschwert Master Black Belt

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    I'm shamelessly poaching my own MAP post, which I shamelessly poached from someone on SFI:

    http://www.warussepat.fi/kiltavideo_le3.3.wmv

    Note the fluidity of execution. I also like the inclusion of messer (longknife) and spear techniques, which are still hard to find on the net.

    Best regards,

    -Mark
     
  2. Brian R. VanCise

    Brian R. VanCise MT Moderator Staff Member

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    Hey Mark that is cool!
     
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    arnisador Sr. Grandmaster

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    Thanks for sharing that!
     
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    Sukerkin Have the courage to speak softly

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    Very nice stuff, Mark. My only criticism is to the video quality (too dark by far) and the lack of sound :D.

    I have a question that I hope you might be able to answer. With the single-hand sword the players had their off-hand tucked behind their back, akin to modern day fencers. Is that just for balance and to keep it out of harms way?
     
  5. Langenschwert

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    To keep it out of harm's way. Leckuchner says that if you want to grapple, keep your off hand across your chest. You can also put your off hand against your hip in a fist.

    I prefer to keep mine befind my back or on the hip, because (and I'm just guessing here, I'm really new to messer) a tip cut that might miss your chest could still slice the hand or especially elbow if you keep it in front. Besides, I usually have enough time to put my hand where I need it.

    But if Leckuchner says it's ok, then it must be ok. Once I get more time in with messer I'll try both and see if it actually does pose a greater risk holding it in front that's actually worth worrying about.

    I really don't know enough about messer fighting to give more than my first impressions.

    Best regards,

    -Mark
     
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    Yes. Codex Wallerstein, Meyer, and Huntzfeld also say the same thing. Meyer even pictures how they did it in the dusach section.123
     

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