I had a comment, but decided I needed to research Ms Grey a bit more fist, err, I mean first.
Ex-Porn star reads to kids
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i tell you what im sure a lot of others did the moment they heard her name.
im not proud.. i did
tbh though its not my thing, shes a pretty girl but all that humiliation, gagging stuff isnt my cup o' tea.on topic though im sure she doesnt start her readings with 'hi kids, im a porn star, shall i tell you all about it' im sure the kids had no idea who she was. of course until parents find out and start moaning about it.
'mummy, why dont you like ms grey? she tells nice stories'
'shes a porn star dear'
'whats a porn star?'
'.......'
they should ask themselves who's causing a problem here.
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I haven't seen a porn in many a year. Being involved in this discussion, I watched part of a Grey film. My god, how things have changed. If that is being good at sex....err... pro... I will stick to the amateurs who are really horrible at it. That is just my opinion. I guess what was defined as porn years ago is rated "R" now. I wonder how many women think that is what is expected of them in the bedroom? Call me old fashion, but I will stick to good old fashion romance.
I can see now where some parents would be concerned not necessarily fanatically religious ones, some who feel porn puts women is a bad light, and what she represents as a porn star. I can see how that could be upsetting to some parents. I am not saying that is or isn't my view. Like I have always said the school, knowing her background, parents (if not) should have been notified, giving them an option.
Hahahah! That was perfect!
I thought so when I posted it, but on the way home from work yesterday I heard a story on NPR how gangs are getting involved in sex trafficking including forcing women and girls as young as 12 in to prostitution and that gave me a little different perspective on the hyping up of sex, including such jokes as that.
http://www.npr.org/2011/11/14/142300731/gangs-enter-new-territory-with-sex-trafficking
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That was my thought. Those kids aren't going to know who she is other than what the school said that she was an actress. They won't remember her name in a year or two anyways more than likely, so it really is the parents who are causing such a big stink about it.
Steve
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You're a paragon of human virtue, John.
Do we know they weren't? I know at my kids' schools, we always knew when guest speakers were in the classrooms. Are you presuming that parents weren't notified in advance or do you know for sure that they were not?
Steve
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There is a dark side to porn, which is why I specifically mentioned an above board production company. There are many companies that are completely out in the open, making boatloads of money from mostly men and women who would never admit openly that they watch it.
But I still contend that sex isn't a big deal. As I said in another post, just about every person in the world has it at one time or another. Among consenting adults, there is nothing wrong with it. Period.
And when it's not okay, it's not because of sex. It's because there are minors involved or people are being forced into it or drug addiction is in play... something else. Look at Sandusky.
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The whole thing isn't really much of an issue. As long as she isn't there talking about her past, and keeping it civil, then it's not so much of an issue, provided that it's kept low-key.
By the same token, though, if the school allows an ex-mattress actress to read to children claiming that she's simply trying to do some good, then they should not have any problems if, say someone the likes of former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke or Black Panther Quanell X reading to their children either.
By the same token, though, if the school allows an ex-mattress actress to read to children claiming that she's simply trying to do some good, then they should not have any problems if, say someone the likes of former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke or Black Panther Quanell X reading to their children either.
But Gren, Ms. Grey looks to be more comfy than Duke or X to lie on.
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It's deeply disturbing that some people seem to find these three remotely comparable. Last time I checked, Sasha Grey wasn't promoting hatred, racism, violence and murder. It's deeply disturbing that some people seem to find having sex for money equivalent.
Steve
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In this way, I believe America as a whole has it completely backwards. Parents will allow their kids to see graphic displays of violence in TV, movies and video games at very young ages, but FREAK OUT if they see an exposed nipple.
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Reminds me of an old show that joked that "fornication was forbidden... because it might lead to dancing!"
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No just old. Was into the movie for 5 mins, and fell asleep.
And I have never seen golf balls used that way before.JohnEdward
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maybe, or due to a short attention span? Watching what appears to be a golf ball, passing back and forth, exercising her sphincter muscle for 5 mins....ZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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If they were you wouldn't have parents complaining after the fact. They could have been, like I said before, Ms. Grey may have been announced as a movie star. But the school knew of her ex-career, and they know the controversy an ex-Adult Film star can create with some parents. But, it seems school over looked that, and that isn't professional. They should have informed parents, giving the parents the choice to have their kid opt out. Now she is an ex-Adult film star, currently a movie star. Now the school will have say an ex-drug dealer or a ex-gang member who is a community leader at the school and say read to kids, and the school will notify parents of that person's past involvement in drugs and gangs, and their current profession. That is pretty common, they should have been just as professional with Ms. Grey. Therefore, when she twitted that she was reading to kids, the news picking it up would not have not reported parents being up set. There would not be such a controversy. It is about the school being consistently responsible.
Now, did you see that link I posted about the Coach who gave a politically incorrect motivational survey to his high school players and was fired instantly when discovered. Done because it was politically incorrect. The coach was there for years, no controversial career background. As an ex-coach how many schools would say no to him if he wanted to read to a group of kids. His is qualified. How many parents would be upset if he read to their kids? You have to be fair across the board. You can't say yes, to a movie star with a controversial past, and no to a coach with a controversial past. You have can't be selective in your value judgements. Favoring one and opposing another based on any specific value system. As a school, you have to let parents know properly who is interacting with their kids so they have an option. Most schools have security and Federal background checks on visitors and staff, but they can't let the parents know who from the outside of the school is reading to their kids. Again, as a parent you don't want to find out from the news, as it headlines Porn Star reads to kids. Or Movie star reads to kids and you look her up because you are not that familiar with her. Or you hear it from another source. Then people start talking and say, "you let a porn star near your kid in school!" That makes you look like an irresponsible parent, you clash with other parents as they will not let your kid play with their kid as it is a bad influence. Parents....right? It is irresponsible or the school to not properly notify the parents to give them an option. That is my angst with this issue.
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Chris Parker
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I'm sorry, what?!?! Did you read what that "survey" you reference was asking? That was outright bullying, harassment, and sexual intimidation, not "politically incorrect". Seriously, if you think the issue was that the survey was asking the students' who had "hurt feelings" (in other words, were emotionally vulnerable at best, the victims of bullying and harassment already more likely) to identify themselves as "queer" or more was that is was "politically incorrect", then you have absolutely no idea what the actual issue was there at all.
I'm going to put here what the article says, and hopefully the filters will let most of it through....
Honestly, what gets me most in that instance is this:
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/11/11/Antigay_Survey_a_Fumble_for_Prep_Football_Coach/
Seriously, give me Sasha Grey and Belladonna (ha, if you think Sasha's work was extreme....) reading to pre-school kids any day of the week rather than have someone like that in a position of authority and guidance for growing and maturing children.
EDIT: Honestly John, this combined with your entire take on the "Women Boxers in Mini Skirts" thread don't show you in a very good light. You seem to have very little actual empathy or understanding when it comes to such issues. Might be something to look at.
