Escape from Side Top Hold?

[Sarah]

I am an absolute beginner with grappling so this may seem a really easy question to the more experienced!

I would like to know some different options to escape from a side top hold! I only know one way so far, and would like some opinions of the experienced members here.

I hope I have the right term, this is where your partner has their hip in your armpit, their legs are spread, and they are holding on around your neck!

Thanks.

 

[Mark Weiser]

Well it depends on what is allowed.

For instance you can use pressure or pinch to the forearm just above the elbow for pain and release. If you can reach the towards the armpit area and grab on the group of muscles between the armpit and breast area and give it a very healthy squeeze will cause them to let go and scream if you appy a lot of pressure and do it quickly.

Just some thoughts I am sure others have more.

 

[Sarah]

Thanks Mark

The one that I do know involves a good squeeze around the middle, but you seem to need a bit of strengh for that.

Im thinking more in a compitition setting, were you can't hit etc! and maybe for someone that doesnt have a lot of upper body strengh.

Any Idea's???

Well it depends on what is allowed.

For instance you can use pressure or pinch to the forearm just above the elbow for pain and release. If you can reach the towards the armpit area and grab on the group of muscles between the armpit and breast area and give it a very healthy squeeze will cause them to let go and scream if you appy a lot of pressure and do it quickly.

Just some thoughts I am sure others have more.

 

[Aaron Little]

Sarah,
I am heading out the door to teach but I will post some options for you later tonight.

 

[Sarah]

Thanks Aaron look forward to it, your post's are always really helpful!

Sarah,
I am heading out the door to teach but I will post some options for you later tonight.

 

[Aaron Little]

Sarah,

We went to the park today to do some boxing. While we were there I went ahead and shot a short video at the beginning of class in order to more thoroughly answer your question. It is about 5 meg. I turned the quality down a little in order to decrease the size.



In the video Rikki is working with Mat, our newest student. He does not really know the position yet but we used him because he out weighs Rikki by about 60 pounds. I hope this helps. If you have anymore questions just ask.



Head and Arm Escape Video Clip
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[Andrew Green]

Make space with your forearm and by turning towards him and scooting your hips away, get your knee in and recover guard.

Bridge and roll, one hand under him by the hip, other one traps his arm, Bridge and roll towards the front and side his head is on.

Spin out under him - Same hand position, attempt the same thing, he doesn't move - Spin your head out under him, you don't have to move him, you just move you.

Get to your knees - Just that, make space, get to your knees and attack a leg.

Throw him - You can do what is almost a hip throw from here - Underhook himplant the other elbow on the floor sitting yourself up, plant your foot on the floor close to your butt and lift, bring him right over you kinda like a hip throw.

Another suprise thing you can do is catch him in a triangle choke from the bottom. FIrst trap the arm between your legs, then push his face away and bring your leg over his head, lock it and apply.

 

[auxprix]

Yeah, the general rule for breaking hold-downs is to turn towards your opponent. If I'm not mistaken, the Judo term for this one is the Hon-Kessa-gatame (scarf hold). one thing you'll have to do is get your arm free, so do that while turning into your opponent. A really hard jerk is what is required. Then just keep turning over untill you break it.

There is also a way to role your opponent over you, but it's a bit complicated. Ask your instructor.

 

[JPR]

Sarah,

We went to the park today to do some boxing. While we were there I went ahead and shot a short video at the beginning of class in order to more thoroughly answer your question. It is about 5 meg. I turned the quality down a little in order to decrease the size.



In the video Rikki is working with Mat, our newest student. He does not really know the position yet but we used him because he out weighs Rikki by about 60 pounds. I hope this helps. If you have anymore questions just ask.



Head and Arm Escape Video Clip
(right click and save as)

Very nicely done! Thanks for posting the link.

JPR

 

[Aaron Little]

JPR,

It was easier to grab the camera and shoot some video than it would have been for me to try and explain what I wanted to say. Visual examples always seem to help out.

 

[MJS]

I am an absolute beginner with grappling so this may seem a really easy question to the more experienced!

I would like to know some different options to escape from a side top hold! I only know one way so far, and would like some opinions of the experienced members here.

I hope I have the right term, this is where your partner has their hip in your armpit, their legs are spread, and they are holding on around your neck!

Thanks.

Hi Sarah! Welcome to the grappling world!!! Looks like you've already had some great advice. Here are a few other things you can try.

1- Prior to the opp. getting you into that position, create a "frame" with your arms. One are being on the floor, the other against the neck of your opp. and your hands are together. This will buy you a bit of time.

2- From the above frame, you can continue the pressure, while scooting your hips out, you're in position to put pressure on his arm, drive his head back enough for you to hook one of your legs over his head, and also get to your knees.

3- Depending where his weight is, you can bridge and roll him over.

4- Someone mentioned pinching and using pressure points. Probably not allowed in a tournament, but in the street, those are some great tools, in addition to biting.

Keep rolling and having fun!!! Learning the positions, counters, submissions, etc. won't happen overnight, but with time, it'll be second nature!!

Mike

 

[Ceicei]

Sarah,

We went to the park today to do some boxing. While we were there I went ahead and shot a short video at the beginning of class in order to more thoroughly answer your question. It is about 5 meg. I turned the quality down a little in order to decrease the size.



In the video Rikki is working with Mat, our newest student. He does not really know the position yet but we used him because he out weighs Rikki by about 60 pounds. I hope this helps. If you have anymore questions just ask.



Head and Arm Escape Video Clip
(right click and save as)

Love your link!!! Thank you! You ought to do more grappling tips and post 'em for us. (For example, Kenpo does their own style video tips with "TOW" and "On-The-Mat".)

- Ceicei

 

[Aaron Little]

Thanks Ceicei,
What is "TOW" and "On-The-Mat". I am familiar with www.onthemat.com but I don't think that is what you are talking about.

As a coach and a video producer it just seems to make sense to answer tuff questions that way.

 

[MJS]

Aaron-

TOW is the Tip of the Week that Larry Tatum does. Haven't seen any lately, but they're usually posted on the Kenpo threads.

Mike

 

[Aaron Little]

Gotcha. I will look into it. What types of things would people be interested in. Striking? Clinch/ reslting/ Ground?

 

[Sarah]

You grappling guys ROCK....thanks so much for all the awsome advice, I will be trying them next week at training.

Aaron, that was fantastic, I really wasnt expecting a vid! (look forward to more)

Thanks again every one, will let you know how I get on!

 

[MJS]

Gotcha. I will look into it. What types of things would people be interested in. Striking? Clinch/ reslting/ Ground?

Aaron-

First off, the clip was awesome!!!! :ultracool Thanks for posting it!

As for what types of things to show....pretty much anything. It can be something of your choosing or you can do what Mr. Tatum did. People would email him and inquire about a certain tech. He would then use that tech. as the TOW. People could email or PM you and do the same thing.

Mike

 

[Aaron Little]

Sure, I could do that. Why dont you start a new thread and lets get some input as to what people would want. If I am going to put something together I want it to answer someone's question.

 

[MJS]

Sure, I could do that. Why dont you start a new thread and lets get some input as to what people would want. If I am going to put something together I want it to answer someone's question.

The new thread has been started!!

Mike

 

[Ceicei]

Thanks Ceicei,
What is "TOW" and "On-The-Mat". I am familiar with www.onthemat.com but I don't think that is what you are talking about.

As a coach and a video producer it just seems to make sense to answer tuff questions that way.

No, it is not the website you are thinking about. The ones I mentioned are from the kenpo forums.

Here is an example of Joshua Ryer's "On the Mat":

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15255

Here is an example of Larry Tatum's TOW (Tip Of the Week):

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14187&highlight=TOW

If we can get something going with grappling, it will be terrific! Like you said, it is a way to explain/answer tough questions.

- Ceicei