Don't go, Don't kill - The hypocrisy of repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell

Tez3

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Do I have to do the 'England' lecture again? Billcihak, it's showing your ignorance to keep calling the UK 'England', I'm not surprised though. the Daily Mail story was nearly two years old and refers to Gordon brown as the Prime Minister, the Mail is as right wing as you are and will twist things to make them seem worse. Women aren't giving birth in offices because of a shortage of beds, it's because as all of you with kids will know you can't predict just when the baby will decide to make it's appearance, hence all those odd places mothers give birth in.

Our system isn't perfect either but it on the whole works so stop criticising something you have only read about in right wing papers and articles. The NHS here is supported by people of all shades of political thought, it may not suit you but it's very much what the people here want and that makes it democratic.
 

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Well, some of the foriegners do tell me their health services are better than ours, and so when I hear that I crank up the internet and look for the flaws in their systems. I hear a lot of great NHS stories from Mark Steyn, who is a real fan of the system.

http://socglory.blogspot.com/2009/08/careless-nhs-kills-again-by-mark-steyn.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/186471/paneled-death/mark-steyn

You could look up U.S. horror stories, but I would say that having our government, in particular, take over health care will make those horror stories more common and more severe.
 

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Well, some of the foriegners do tell me their health services are better than ours, and so when I hear that I crank up the internet and look for the flaws in their systems. I hear a lot of great NHS stories from Mark Steyn, who is a real fan of the system.

http://socglory.blogspot.com/2009/08/careless-nhs-kills-again-by-mark-steyn.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/186471/paneled-death/mark-steyn

You could look up U.S. horror stories, but I would say that having our government, in particular, take over health care will make those horror stories more common and more severe.


No one here has said that their health services are better than yours. Your posting up stories about our healthcare seems like trolling. It's as far from the OP as it's possible to be.
It's just sad that you can only find bad things to say about people, I could post up the same amount of stories where people have been saved by the NHS but to what point? The system your government is looking at is nothing like ours, here the NHS was born out of necessity and works because we started it many years ago when the majority of people had no healthcare at all. Your situation is totally different.

The links you posted up, one about the 'death panel' is nearly two years old and nothing of the sort has happened, indeed we actually have a different government now and the other about a woman dying after being sent home is a story of a bad doctor not a bad system, bad doctors or ones who make bad judgements aren't confined to 'socialised' healthcare, it's down to the individual doctor. Paying a lot of money doesn't make you exempt from bad doctors.
 

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Because random stories on the internet will give you an acurate picture of our system. Every time I've needed our system, it's been there for me. It's been there for friends and family.

Those 'horror' stories are often the result of misdiagnosis. That happens everywhere.
 

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Well I'm off on nights again, what a way to spend New Year's Eve and see in the New Year! anyway have a good one folks. :)
 

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First off, you should have the common courtesy of spelling user names right.

And yes, I stand by my assertion that the way we pay and cover everybody beats your system.
 

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Happy new year Tez3. May the new year be a good one for you and your family.

Thank you and a happy New Year to you and yours. Just back from work and off to bed for a couple of hours. :)
 

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