KangTsai
2nd Black Belt
This was a dumb thing to write and it seems I can't delete it. I apologise.Fun fact: taking one K.O. left hook is less harmful than taking 50 light jabs to the face.
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This was a dumb thing to write and it seems I can't delete it. I apologise.Fun fact: taking one K.O. left hook is less harmful than taking 50 light jabs to the face.
Only you are confused. His friends, some of who I know also, are devastated, his partner is broken and everyone is shocked and horrified. You on the other hand want to make an argument out of this.
His coach and corners say they knew nothing about headaches, it was his partner who mentioned them. They could have easily been just migraines and nothing else, she was speaking when he was still alive and fighting for his life. There will be a post mortem which will give the medical findings.
The newspaper report is just that, it's not official nor is it all the information. The important fact is that he died.
Now, please go away and have a long talk with yourself.
This was a dumb thing to write and it seems I can't delete it. I apologise.
If American Football is any indicator, headgear may be making it worse. As the NFL has increased the required protection, players have hit harder, gotten bigger, and do less to avoid hard impacts. Injuries (especially head injuries) have gone up as gear has gotten more "protective". I expect some of the same happens in boxing and other arts that have heavy sparring - having headgear on makes people feel safer, so they take more head shots, which are softened only slightly by the headgear.Where's your proof for this? Any blow to the head even light ones cause the brain to hit the skull causing bruising. Harder blows mean more severe bruising, bruising of course is bleeding so you are causing bleeds to the brain which leads to permanent brain damage of varying severity. Headguards do nothing to mitigate the damage.
Also on a side may be you read some other articles or talk to some people and got more information I only read that article so was speculating on what the article was trying to say base on article saying (migraine, K.O. and hospital) people do that on many other message boards.
It strange how on all the other message boards talking about war, terrorism, shootings, homicides, kilning so on. People can talk about it but some people here at martialtalk are getting caught up on the word speculation with out jumping in here giving all the facts what happen.
Who ever wrote that article should go back to school and learn proper English. An elementary school kid could write a better v than the way that articles is put together.
The article should of done a better job of explaining he was fighting and got K.O. and rushed to the hospital.
As for the article talking about migraines it should done better job explaining when, where, who saying it and how it fits into what the article is talking about.
I read his post as wondering whether a post-KO head scan should become part of normal procedure, not blaming the victim.Speculation is not helpful nor is blaming him for not getting an x ray. He was stretchered out of the ring after being KO'd twice in the bout. He was unconscious as they took him out f the ring. At the hospital he was put on life support with bleeding on the brain, the decision was made to switch the machines and he died.
His coach said he wasn't aware of any problems with headaches.
Your comments are neither helpful nor in my opinion appropriate, victim blaming is never right.
I do think these threads are a place to assess what happened. It's no disrespect to the fallen to try to determine if a repeat incident can be avoided by some change in protocol.An RIP thread is not an appropriate place to blame or speculate about why it happened.
FFS a man is dead and this is what you give us? It's not even in English.
Tez, I don't think Moonhill came here to argue. He didn't understand the situation because of vagueness in the article, and had no more information. He appeared to be asking what happened and whether enough time had elapsed that a scan immediately post-fight would have been good protocol. That's a reasonable question, though from your subsequent posts it doesn't sound like there was any other opportunity for the medical folks to help prevent this tragedy after the fight. As for the headaches, it seems reasonable to pass them off as stress-induced (especially if he ever had them before under stress), so probably no reason he'd think to even mention them to coaches or doctors.Only you are confused. His friends, some of who I know also, are devastated, his partner is broken and everyone is shocked and horrified. You on the other hand want to make an argument out of this.
His coach and corners say they knew nothing about headaches, it was his partner who mentioned them. They could have easily been just migraines and nothing else, she was speaking when he was still alive and fighting for his life. There will be a post mortem which will give the medical findings.
The newspaper report is just that, it's not official nor is it all the information. The important fact is that he died.
Now, please go away and have a long talk with yourself.
I think you're being too harsh on the article here. It may have been written with little information, and some of these details may not have been entirely clear. With the short news cycle, first reports are often scant on information, since gathering all of it makes the first report late enough to be meaningless.Who ever wrote that article should go back to school and learn proper English. An elementary school kid could write a better v than the way that articles is put together.
The article should of done a better job of explaining he was fighting and got K.O. and rushed to the hospital.
As for the article talking about migraines it should done better job explaining when, where, who saying it and how it fits into what the article is talking about.
I read his post as wondering whether a post-KO head scan should become part of normal procedure, not blaming the victim.
I didn't say I thought that. I read your post as wondering about that. I know too little of their current protocols to have any opinion. Perhaps they currently do enough to mitigate all but the most extreme injuries. I simply don't know.So you think in boxing or MMA after a KO they should do CT-scan or a x-ray? That the new rule in boxing or MMA is x-ray or CT-scan after a KO?
Or on flip side a scan before the fight to make sure there is no brain swelling or light bleeding. And a fight will make it worse.
I don't think Moonhill came here to argue
Tez, I don't think Moonhill came here to argue. He didn't understand the situation because of vagueness in the article, and had no more information. He appeared to be asking what happened and whether enough time had elapsed that a scan immediately post-fight would have been good protocol. That's a reasonable question, though from your subsequent posts it doesn't sound like there was any other opportunity for the medical folks to help prevent this tragedy after the fight. As for the headaches, it seems reasonable to pass them off as stress-induced (especially if he ever had them before under stress), so probably no reason he'd think to even mention them to coaches or doctors.
None of this blames him, officials, or friends. It's just someone trying to look for a lesson in what happened, wondering if anything could be done differently in the future to protect others like this fighter.
I didn't say I thought that. I read your post as wondering about that. I know too little of their current protocols to have any opinion. Perhaps they currently do enough to mitigate all but the most extreme injuries. I simply don't know.
I didn't say I thought that. I read your post as wondering about that. I know too little of their current protocols to have any opinion. Perhaps they currently do enough to mitigate all but the most extreme injuries. I simply don't know.
I was speculating
You were and that's what I said. Speculating is pointless and it doesn't matter what you were speculating about. You are the person who started a thread asking why boxers and MMA fighters fought practically nude so you can't expect to be taken seriously when you then ramble about all sorts on a thread about a tragic death. You complained about the news article, well until the post mortem news will be scare so why are you criticising it. All you need to understand at this moment is that a boxer is dead... don't castigate us, on a martial arts site, for what you called 'ignoring world problems, to concentrate on the death of one man. We are aware perhaps some of us more than you know are aware of tragedies all around the world. As someone has already said, this is a memorial thread put into the boxing section because of how he died. It wasn't intended to be a discussion thread.
What does boxers and MMA fighters fighting almost nude after to do with this thread? If some people have problem fighting almost nude that simple two option don't fight nude or see psychotherapist or psychologist of insecurity problem of showing skin.
What does psychologist being almost nude have to do with boxers and MMA fighters
Note may be some one that know some thing about medicine can comment on that above in red.
You started a thread saying it was strange and you didn't understand it thereby ruining your credibility as a serious poster. This below doesn't help.
If someone wants to then perhaps they'd like to start another thread, this one is to say RIP.