chinese weapon thought?

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  1. Porong

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    for those who know what the dharma cane is any thoughts on

    for those that believe the tonfa is originally chinese any thoughts on adding a side handle to the other side of a tonfa or similar weapon to make a mini dharma cane? ideas would it be an infective weapon I mean anyone have any ideas? I mean could it be effectivley used as a defense and or control device if it has an extra handle?
     
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    I don't see why it wouldn't be effective on the basis of finding a way to use it like that. As anything can be used as a weapon with the right mindset
     
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    Love tonfas.

    Adding a 2nd handle would be pointless. If anything you would be giving your opponent a handle to grab.
     
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    Tonfa, topang, guai, tong fa, tonqua, tuifa, mai sok, bokgatau, all are melee weapons thought to have been original to Southeast Asia particularly Indonesia, Thailand, or Malaysia and over time carried into other Asian countries. Topang and Guai translate directly as ‘crutch’ which suggests the weapon originates from the longer shafted crutch.
     
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    so do you think my wooden tonfa can be an effective defensive weapon if I use it properly I mean you don't think it matters that its not the modern acrylic or metal type?

    I would tend to think the material is not the issue the issue is knowing how to use it properly?
     
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    You have answered your own question.
     
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    It would provide a lateral strike point. I don't know if that'd be much value, but it would be there. As for them grabbing, that almost seems like something I'd like them to do if they aren't trained in that weapon.
     
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    Start from the premise that it's a short club (though it is much more than that). Would being hit with a short club made of oak be effective?
     
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    Honestly, i think the T handle design just lends itself to easier to generate rotational power. Other than it being a out croping you can use offensively or defensively and also the different positions you get. I kind of view it as a more specialist thing and collapsible batons being better for carrying around with you.

    If you get my gist. This is from the stance of t handle batons (tonfas basically, just my terminology difference)

    Also they are illegal here, so that might influence the lack of Tonfas and Tonfa look a likes.
     
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    For civilian carry, both tonfa and the collapsible baton would be illegal in many places.
     
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    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

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    If you want a side handle...why add it to a Tonfa...just get a Dharma cane and be done with it
     
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    No you don't.....you like a PR24...admit it :D
     
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    You got me....:D....carried a PR24 when I started L.E.....hated it when they took them up and switched to expandable batons.
     
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    The police force should be trained to use tonfas. Not only would it be cool, think how badass it would be seeing officers twirling around tonfas while patrolling.
     
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    The next thing I guess is I am forgetting an important point maybe many of the videos I have seen show you how to use it but I don'the think I have seen one yet with the kata in it since a kata is important I guess I will have to look for a video with one I mean my instructor is not teaching the tonfa at this time ) said the Katas are Important to you to learn how to use it better I will have to get to work looking for a kata video? It is my opinion I would rather have a whip or some kind of possibly pointy nightstick as it seems excessive to me to use any thing bladed as It seems there is hopefuly a way to defend our self that if used against you is not necessarily bad I mean bladed weapons remove limbs and if you have a firearm used against you you will have trouble ps the best thing for a knife fight is another knife? I disagree I would rather hope that I had a tonfa and could effectively use it as I said before don't want to be responsible for removing limbs or something seemes excessive to me. I will say I have a pair of wooden tonfas in my closet I don't carry it in public but as I said before like that martial arts movie I saw they seemed to have bows and arrows and other weapons and when the guy pulls out a gun on the train the martial arts instructor seems to say '' no guns '' and it seems to be thrown out the window. I mean in every class it does seemail they want you to practice the kata first before moving to the self defense moves? So as I said I guess I had better start looking for a kata video? Ps any thoughts on adding one or 2 side handles to a 3 foot riot baton?
     
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    I had to read that a couple times, and I think I understood it. I have a couple reactions to it.

    The first is that there are a ton of different kata for weapons, some are helpful and some aren't. The better option IMO would be to find an instructor that does teach tonfa (or if your instructor does and just isn't at the moment, ask him), and actually practice with it against another person.

    Depending on the situation, there are a couple of things I would want in a knife fight. One is a gun. Another is a rapier. One is a pair of running shoes. Depending on the situation, I would also want a knife. It also is going to be a lot tougher to remove limbs than I think you're imagining it.

    What martial arts movie are you talking about? As a general rule of thumb, don't look towards a martial arts movie for MA advice...their concern is what looks best, not what's realistic or effective. And don't think that someone saying "no guns" will cause someone to throw away their gun...unless the person giving the order is a police officer, and the person being told "no guns" is facing arrest and knows that he's in trouble.

    Some schools will want you to learn kata first. Some won't. There are arguments about which is better, with no real consensus. Do you mean every class you've seen on youtube, every class in general, or just every class that you've been in?
     
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    To answer your question I was thinking the aspect what's how much risk are you willing to take if the weapon is used against you was my concern not that people will actually throw away their weapon I currently have a black belt in Karate it seems in every class they want you to practice the kata before doing the self defense moves
     
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    @kempodisciple alredy covered my points on this. I just wanted to point out that punctuation makes it mug easier to read what you type.
     
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    The 4 most important CMA weapon are:

    - staff,
    - spear,
    - single edge knife,
    - double edges sword.

    These 4 weapon were in the ancient Chinese government official MA testing. All the other weapon are not that important.
     
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    The better you are with any weapon, the less the chance it will be used against you.
     

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