an interesting rant on SD Gjj vs Competition G/Bjj regarding teaching kids.

[TSDTexan]

Why sport breaks a martial art with safety rules sets.... and how schools drop SD curriculum to spend more time on preparing for competition.

An interesting take.... and could apply to other arts like TKD.

 

[Danny T]

Why sport breaks a martial art with safety rules sets.... and how schools drop SD curriculum to spend more time on preparing for competition.

An interesting take.... and could apply to other arts like TKD.

This is one of Rickson Gracie's major rants with a lot of BJJ today. BJJ was based, originally as a system for self defense and many today don't know or understand the self defense aspects. He even tells many BB's ok you are BB but if you don't know the self defense then you aren't really a BB.
And I agree this can be applied to many martial arts.

 

[drop bear]

90% 10%

You can be aware of both aspects. I can't kick in boxing. I can't punch in jits.

But I am learning elements of fighting that will progress towards self defence.

And look I do MMA so there are a whole bunch of tools available to me that are not taught in BJJ.

 

[TSDTexan]

This is one of Rickson Gracie's major rants with a lot of BJJ today. BJJ was based, originally as a system for self defense and many today don't know or understand the self defense aspects. He even tells many BB's ok you are BB but if you don't know the self defense then you aren't really a BB.
And I agree this can be applied to many martial arts.

Yep... this professor in the video is a Hawaiian who trained under Rickson directly. And so did the head of their organization. Both are Rickson BBs.
And they promote the SD of GJJ

 

[Gerry Seymour]

90% 10%

You can be aware of both aspects. I can't kick in boxing. I can't punch in jits.

But I am learning elements of fighting that will progress towards self defence.

And look I do MMA so there are a whole bunch of tools available to me that are not taught in BJJ.

It’s more in how you train than in the competition. You train with those concepts in mind, rather than molding your training to the competition. If someone (especially an entire school) trains to optimize for competition, you get the problems he’s talking about. I actually think having some competitors in a school is probably optimal.

 

[pdg]

Is it really a problem though?

If someone wants to compete, a competition focused school is going to be far better for them.

If someone wants to get some exercise and a bit of socialisation, maybe heavy competition or SD focus isn't going to suit them.

Not everyone goes in looking for ultimate self defence...

A bit of cooperation between schools and arts would be the ideal really - then the instructors could refer students back and forth and/or accepting more cross training.

Of course, that would also entail the instructors being capable of admitting they have a focus rather than the traditional "we do everything the best".

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Is it really a problem though?

If someone wants to compete, a competition focused school is going to be far better for them.

If someone wants to get some exercise and a bit of socialisation, maybe heavy competition or SD focus isn't going to suit them.

Not everyone goes in looking for ultimate self defence...

A bit of cooperation between schools and arts would be the ideal really - then the instructors could refer students back and forth and/or accepting more cross training.

Of course, that would also entail the instructors being capable of admitting they have a focus rather than the traditional "we do everything the best".

My current ideal school is me and at least one other instructor - preferably one who teaches with a competition focus.

 

[Buka]

I trained in a Rickson school. I only competed in a couple of jits tournaments. In both, I had absolutely no idea what the rules or scoring system was. Because we never trained for competition, never even mentioned them.

I remember hearing there was going to be a BJJ tournament near us. I remember thinking, "they have tournaments for this kind of stuff? That's odd, but let's go!"

We only trained for self defense and the love of BJJ. I have no qualms about that, it was awesome. I also have no qualms about BJJ competitions and people who only train for them. That might be awesome too.

 

[drop bear]

It’s more in how you train than in the competition. You train with those concepts in mind, rather than molding your training to the competition. If someone (especially an entire school) trains to optimize for competition, you get the problems he’s talking about. I actually think having some competitors in a school is probably optimal.

Yeah. You just add the extra 10%

I mean we do MMA and the grappling we do has a slightly different focus that let's us optimise things like standing up and throwing strikes.

So even self defence BJJ is a slightly different game to what i would want to do.

It is just about being aware.

 

[JR 137]

I wonder which one would get you beaten or killed quicker - “SD” BJJ or sport BJJ?

You’re going to get beaten or killed anyway, might as well go with whichever is quicker, right?

Sorry, I miss those threads now that they’re locked away forever. I had so much to say, yet now I realize so little precious time.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

I wonder which one would get you beaten or killed quicker - “SD” BJJ or sport BJJ?

You’re going to get beaten or killed anyway, might as well go with whichever is quicker, right?

Sorry, I miss those threads now that they’re locked away forever. I had so much to say, yet now I realize so little precious time.

Which involves less running in a half-circle? That’s the one that’ll get you killed faster. The one with more style gets you beat up faster.

 

[drop bear]

I wonder which one would get you beaten or killed quicker - “SD” BJJ or sport BJJ?

You’re going to get beaten or killed anyway, might as well go with whichever is quicker, right?

Sorry, I miss those threads now that they’re locked away forever. I had so much to say, yet now I realize so little precious time.

The thing about BJJ It is really good for beating up one guy . But as soon as you go to ground the guys friends can then jump in and stomp on you.

But what people dont consider is that as soon as the guys friends appear. My friends can take all of his friends to the ground and beat them up.

I mean that is science.

So sport or self defence doesn't make that much difference.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

The thing about BJJ It is really good for beating up one guy . But as soon as you go to ground the guys friends can then jump in and stomp on you.

But what people dont consider is that as soon as the guys friends appear. My friends can take all of his friends to the ground and beat them up.

I mean that is science.

So sport or self defence doesn't make that much difference.

Somehow, that argument usually assumes the other guy always has friends, and the defender never does. Are martial artists that lonely?

 

[pdg]

Somehow, that argument usually assumes the other guy always has friends, and the defender never does. Are martial artists that lonely?

You mean you're not???

 

[Gerry Seymour]

You mean you're not???

(Laughter, instead of a reply, does not mean I'm lonely. Honestly. Doesn't mean anything. Stop reading too much into things.)

 

[Headhunter]

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I wonder which one would get you beaten or killed quicker - “SD” BJJ or sport BJJ?

You’re going to get beaten or killed anyway, might as well go with whichever is quicker, right?

Sorry, I miss those threads now that they’re locked away forever. I had so much to say, yet now I realize so little precious time.

dont worry I'm sure grandmaster will make multiple new threads on the subject lol

 

[JR 137]

M

dont worry I'm sure grandmaster will make multiple new threads on the subject lol

He’s been getting shut down by big brother lately. I’ll be sad to see his run end. But when that happens, a new village idiot typically emerges shortly afterwards and makes everyone repeatedly face palm, so it’s all good.

 

[Deleted member 39746]

I still like the view and maintaining self defence is its own thing. If you wear the tag of SD, its totally diffrent and should be than a standard MA school. Would love to have more people doing this teaching though.

 

[Steve]

Having exhaustive experience with a limited skill set will always trump having limited experience with an exhaustive skill set.

In other words, the concern with sport is a blind spot when shifting application from one context to another, The concern with “self defense” is a blind spot about application in any context. I’ll take the former over the latter any day.

 

[Headhunter]

He’s been getting shut down by big brother lately. I’ll be sad to see his run end. But when that happens, a new village idiot typically emerges shortly afterwards and makes everyone repeatedly face palm, so it’s all good.

And another one of his threads bites the dust...wonder what we'll get next Bruce lees ilegitemate son or something