Combat Jiu Jitsu?

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  1. TMA17

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    One of the instructors at the IKMA school is a black belt in judo and combat jiu jitsu. What are the differences between Japanese JJ, Brazilian and combat?
     
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    Japanese has a dozen different styles to it, Brazilian usually refers to what was made by the Gracies(?) and combat is probably a modernization of a traditional style. Not too sure if there is a singular Combat or multiple.

    I believe jujitsu is a general term for a segment of Japanese fighting styles as well. (cant think of the wording) So it refers to quite a lot of styles and sub styles.


    thats the extent of my knowledge on the subject.
     
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    Japanese Jujitsu has small-joint locks(wrists, fingers), large joint locks(elbows, knee, shoulders, etc), throws, sweeps, chokes, ground techniques and striking.

    Judo has most of what JJJ has but without the small joint locks and usually without the striking.

    BJJ actually came from Judo(some may dispute that), it focuses more on executing the locks and chokes on the ground.

    I'm unsure of what the combat jujitsu.

    Understand that these are a general overviews of what the styles are, you'll find the emphasis on certain techniques will vary from school to school.
     
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    Anything that has combat prefixing it could just be a marketing tool to make people come thru the door.

    There are many many schools of Japanese jiu jutsu and each has it's own curriculum etc Judo well I guess it depends on which school you go to as to what their emphasize will be on but I would assume that it will these days be competition focused. BJJ that you are better waiting until a guy of here picks the thread up and gives you the low down on that etc.

    Are you looking to cross train or is it just curiosity ?
     
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    Interesting, thanks Xue Sheng. I just realized that I read the instructors background wrong. He has a 5th degree bb in combat JJ from the United States Judo Association. He said IKMA grappling is more similar to Japanese JJ.
     
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    From what I read about "Combat Jiu jitsu" it sounds an awful lot like the Japanese Jujutsu I took in the early 1970s
     
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    Japanese JJ are a variety of traditional Japanese martial arts dating from the samurai. Most actual Japanese JJ died out during the 20th century due to the rise of Judo and the collapse of the samurai class in Japan.

    Bjj is an offshoot of classical Judo that focuses on ground fighting and combines various forms of grappling and street fighting. It rose to prominence due to the Gracies issuing challenges against other martial artists and street fighters and mostly winning against them.

    I highly doubt that anything called "Combat Jiujitsu" is actually Japanese jj. In most cases, people who promote "combat jj" are just combining street fighting or karate with Judo (and more recently Bjj), and peppering it with "deadly moves" like throat jabs and eye pokes.
     
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    Find out if they compete and how they go. Combat jits can have strikes.

    Which I had an instructor compete in once and only found out when he got slapped.

    Generally makes it better. I think Mat bryers and Chris parker in to it about that at one stage.

    Ironically Mats system looked pretty good.
     
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    Combat BJJ is basically MMA Lite.

    My main man, Eddie Bravo, coined that phrase. Basically, just BJJ with slapping another dude in the face.
     
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    There are quite a few articles on Japanese JJ kicking around the BJJ community at the moment, but TBH I feel that most of them are written by folk who don't have experience in JJJ

    This is a short article that I wrote on the subject - maybe it's helpful

    Japanese Jiu Jitsu
     
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    So two of the instructors from IKMA as mentioned are 5th degree black belts in jiu jitsu from the United States Judo Association.

    Jujitsu Sub-Committee
     
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    So that really didn't make a lot of sense to me, and then I actually downloaded the document of their organization.....

    Oh boy.... These guys are borderline delusional.

    Utter nonsense. This is a common tactic by these schools to try to paint Judo as missing "real" Jiujitsu. Kano removed "Teh DeAdly" techniques because they couldn't be practiced effectively. However, you could practice throwing someone over and over again. As someone who has experienced getting thrown by a skilled Judoka onto a mat, I can assure you there's nothing "kiddie" about it. Ask the receiver of a hard Judo throw onto some concrete how "safe" they feel when they're crippled for life.

    Strike one.


    Except we don't practice headlocks. In Bjj we view headlocks as something you DON'T do because they suck and they're easy to escape from. Also neck and spine cranks are rarely practiced in modern Bjj because of the risk of injury to your partner. Leg or knee locks can blow out your knees and break ankles, but an arm, wrist, or shoulder lock can break those joints too, so what exactly was the point of bringing that up?

    Also if you think the Guillotine is a "headlock", you're flipping clueless.

    Strike two.


    What the hell is this? A scene from deliverance? There's so much wrong with this that it's not even worth going in depth.

    Strike three, you're out.

    And the picture.... OMG!

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    I never actually heard anything be called Combat Jiu-jitsu. Read the term online over the past few years, a little bit anyway, but never in much detail.

    That being said, my first exposure to Brazilian Jiu-jitsu was kinda sorta combat oriented, at least how it fit with everything I did at the time. It was originally taught to me to allow me to use my form of striking while I was on the ground, while I was in position and while I was in base - so that I could have enough leverage to actually create power in my strikes.....and not get myself killed in the process. And if as a result of said strikes submission opportunities arose - to take them and finish them.

    I like the idea of what I consider Combat Jiu-jitsu. To me, it's what they call MMA today.
     
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    Frankly...I'm holding out for Combat Ikebana
     
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    I really don't know why so many people take a bit of judo and add in some karate and the odd finger lock to pass it off as Japanese (or Traditional) Jiu Jitsu
     
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