Twin Fist
Grandmaster
my school is set up that BB should take about 4 years.
Well I inherited a six year old BB
Actually, in our organization, two years to black belt is about right. You will have some good students and some not so good. If it takes longer than 2-3 years, the question becomes why did it take you that long to attain black belt?
I think that this is a fantastic idea. Businesses, particularly small businesses, that know that they can lose their license for pulling shenannigans will often simply not do so; unless you're a multi-million dollar corporation, it is prohibatively expensive to pull them and loss of license means you're pretty much done. While there will always be those businesses, large and small, that choose not to operate above board, the public at large is fairly well protected and has channels for recourse.This situation brings to light a problem with a large certifying organisation. The KKW has to trust that the 4th Dan who signed the kids paperwork is legitimate and truthful regarding the kids abilities (and age).
If, instead of saying if you are 4th Dan or above you can promote someone they were to say that you could only promote someone if you have the KKW "seal of promotion" or whatever you want to call it then they would retain some control by the possibility of being able to remove the "seal of promotion" and not let certain instructors promote people.
If we look at what that instructor (the one who promoted the kid) was doing along with the risks involved we find that they made a lot of money from these parents and had absolutely no risk to themselves. They will spend the rest of their lives promoting kids whose parents have money because the 4th Dan/ability to promote cannot and will not be taken from them. If they ran the risk of losing the ability to promote people they might have thought twice about it.
No system of certification is perfect (I work in the computer industry and I have met a lot of people with certifications who know nothing) but the risk of losing the "license to promote" might change a few peoples minds.
What does the black belt mean in your organization?
What is required to grade sucessfully?
While I see where your coming from, I would disagree with this, at least as a generalization, though it may be true in some cases.Keep in mind, as an instructor, you only 2-3 years to get someone to this level. If you stucannot do this, it is as much a reflection on you as them.
...A young man of 22 in good physical shape will be graded differently than a 45 year old woman who is a little overweight....
Keep in mind, as an instructor, you only 2-3 years to get someone to this level. If you stucannot do this, it is as much a reflection on you as them.
I kind of agree with you, but I disagree regarding the firm timeline, and the analogy, while appropriate, is somewhat flawed.In this sense, a Taekwondo instructor and a school teacher are similar. Both operate under a timeframe, so to speak, and if the student isn't learning eventually it comes down to how is he being taught?
The tests are the same for everyone, but weighted differently for different people. You certainly cannot expect a 45 year old woman to perform at the same level as a 22 year old athletic male.
However, I also believe that if students have to wait 5 years or more to test for black belt, the motivation to improve themselves dramatically decreases.
I'm completely with you on this one, Jim. The first dan test that I took for kendo is one that a ten year old would never have been able to pass. The taekwondo blackbelt tests that I watched at my old school were such that eighteen year olds were seriously challenged and a twelve to fourteen year old would never have been able to pass, let alone an five to ten year old. I'd go so far as to say that putting a five year old through that test would be criminal!I agree that you cannot expect them to perform at the same level (or really expect any two different people to perform at identical levels), but even while performing at different levels they should both be expected to clear identical hurdles, and pass identical tests. For example, if your test requires 3 breaks, and the 22 year old can do 10, good for him! But even if the 45 year old can only do 3, they both pass because they've cleared identical hurdles, not because one performs at a higher level. My problem would be if the test was 3 breaks for 20 somethings, and 2 for fortysomething soccer moms. The BB test should be the same for all BB candidates in my opinion, and (to bring it back to the thread) if a 5 year old or 10 year can't pass it, too bad.
To get back to the original question, I personally have a real problem with awarding black belts to kids who still need to hold a parent's hand to walk across the parking lot.
And I'd be willing to bet that not one of those eighteen month blackbelts could pass the same test that your blackbelts take.Originally Posted by YoungMan![]()
However, I also believe that if students have to wait 5 years or more to test for black belt, the motivation to improve themselves dramatically decreases.
Well then this explains why so many of my students leave, they can get a BB in 18 months down the street. With me it is between 4-6 years, damm Hippies.