5 Martial Arts at Once

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  1. Angelsebz

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    Hey guys,

    So I've been doing Muay Thai and BJJ for a month now. I've done some research by looking around and came to the conclusion that to be a good fighter you need to be well rounded. A YouTube channel called FightTips has a video saying to be a good MMA fighter you should do 5 Martial arts. So right now I do Muay Thai and BJJ twice a week, then Combat Sambo, Wrestling and Boxing once a week. Since I do five I won't be able to train all of them at a high frequency so my question is, would it be possible to get good at these martial arts individually only training them once or twice a week?

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    Not saying you could not if training once a week but it would take longer then it would two or three times a week.
     
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    I 5hink you may have flawed logic, if you want to do mma dont do " five arts " , do mma five times a week, that way they all compliment each other, or you will have five stances to consider, by the time you've made your mind up, you've lost

    or pick one, get at least proficient in it, then add another one, MT and BJj seems to have most things covered.

    nb dont believe every one on you tube
     
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    Nah i think there is some legitimacy in doing the spefic arts outside MMA. Not all at once, given MMA is more combing all of them into the sport so they aren't necessarily going to be a specialist in kickboxing, boxing, BJJ etc. so a MMA teacher is more about combing it for the sport of MMA and a spec in that.

    I mean if you have like 300 IQ, then you could probbly pull off doing a lot at the same time. :p


    I would say, do those two and try to find MMA as the third to merge it together. and if your set on it, do the others sequentially to importance/interest from that point on.
     
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    Not a good idea. You won't be training anything regularly enough to get good consistent practice and you won't have time to practice by yourself. Which is just as important as classes and there's a high risk of injury training that much straight away
     
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    You need to be well rounded in a variety of arts if you intend to fight in MMA style competitions. If not, a striking and grappling combination such as you are doing will be more than sufficient. If I understand you correctly, you want to do 5 separate arts at the same time, noting that you train them all with sufficient time to progress at a reasonable pace, so that you can then combine all these arts to be a hybrid art, MMA? Why not do MMA from the beginning, if your intention is to fight MMA? It is not 1993, you don't not have to start from scratch and experiment to find out what is the best combination of arts to work in MMA competition, you can train MMA. As you want to learn 5 different arts, that 5 different stances, each one developed for that particular art, and none of them suited for MMA. The boxer's stance is susceptible to kicks, the wrestler's to punches. Why spend years slowly learning things you will need to change for MMA?
     
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    Was there a reason given for the specific number "5"? It seems arbitrary. There may be 5 major areas that need studying, I suppose, but different arts have vastly different areas of coverage, so just randomly adding 5 together seems meaningless.
     
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    I see no real advantage in studying separate arts, when a single MMA gym can offer the components of each that are best suited to MMA. If you want to fight MMA, go train someplace that teaches for that purpose.
     
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    um, why not just train at an MMA gym.

    Most MMA folks I have known train at one and if they have other arts in thier background they tend to be some sort of kick boxing and BJJ. The rest of the stuff they seem to get into later, pretty much anything they believe that will help them win

    5 arts at once you end up a jack of all trades but master of none.
     
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    So it's better to do 2 martials arts and do MMA as a third one. What do you guys think would be better, Boxing and Wrestling or BJJ and Muay Thai? Btw thanks for the quick replies.
     
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    Sambo, BJJ, and wrestling will all help each other. In my opinion, Sambo, Judo, BJJ, and wrestling are all just different facets of the same art, which is close-in grappling (as opposed to the arms-length grappling which arts like Aikido focus on). They have different competition rules, but the underlying principles and skills are mostly the same.

    Likewise, I learned Muay Thai and boxing together. There are contextual differences based on the rules, but they can synergize well.

    Do you actually have a school which offers all 5 of these arts? If so, you’re pretty lucky. In addition to the convenience of having all that instruction in one place, the teachers would likely understand how aspects of each art overlaps with or differs from the other arts. If you’re having to travel to different schools, I might not bother. Teachers at a school with only one art may not be as helpful in your integration of the systems.

    In any case, if you’re wanting to compete in MMA, you should be training some place that has dedicated MMA instruction. Experienced coaches can show you the specific elements that are pulled from each art which are relevant for MMA and show you how those elements work together in that context.

    Also, while Muay Thai, BJJ, wrestling, Sambo, and boxing are all excellent foundations for MMA, it is absolutely not true that you need to train in all 5 of those to be successful in MMA. What you need for MMA (skill-wise) is competency in striking, clinching, takedowns & takedown defense, and submissions. You can gain those competencies through a variety of arts, including pure MMA classes. (Although I recommend studying at least one or two of the more specialized arts, such as BJJ or boxing, in order to gain a more in-depth understanding of those aspects.)
     
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    MMA (as a group of styles, which I think it is sort of becoming) covers all you need. If you train at an MMA gym, they'll typically have stand-up striking (boxing and Muay Thai are the most common), standing grappling/takedown defense (I see a mix of sources for this - Judo, catch wrestling, and Sambo I think are all common), and ground grappling (BJJ, wrestling, etc.). Sometimes these are taught as the core arts, and sometimes they are just taught as categories. Either way, you're likely to find everything you need for MMA within a good MMA gym.

    As @drop bear would say, "Train MMA."
     
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    A bit late to this party, but as I see things, this is an example of a little knowledge being dangerous.

    You are just one month into your BJJ and Muy Thai training. That is just the beginning. Become proficient at these arts. Give yourself 1 to 2 years and see where you are. Then if you need to change up your training and add another martial art to your repertoire, at least you have a good base of striking and grappling.
     
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    If OP is doing well at his bjj and muy thai training, wouldn't it make sense to become proficient at these arts before dropping everything and going to a third gym?
     
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    This seems weird to me. You shouldn't be collecting arts, you should be collecting attributes for YOUR art.getcha punches,kicks,knees, and elbows. Getcha grappling, clinch game, ground skills. Getcha timing, range, and mobility. Learn to read opponents, learn to read your surroundings. It doesn't matter where you source these things from.
     
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    True, and besides, it is hard enough to become proficient at one martial art. Two puts more demands on your time. More than two martial arts at one time is just not realistic for most people who are not being paid to train.
     
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    Which begs the question, why not just source it all from one place?

    If I want to learn karate, I'm not going to seek out all the styles it drew from and spend years doing those. What I would do however is seek out a good karate master.

    Likewise, if I want to learn all ranges MMA style fighting, why not just learn it? Why learn all the source arts piecemeal and reinvent the wheel?
     
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    Actually, if you read OP's original post, he never said he wanted to do MMA. He said he read something about how to be a good fighter. My point is, I am sure that if he continues with his current training, that he can become a good fighter.
     
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    Same thing.
     
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    It's not uncommon for gyms that have both BJJ and Muay Thai to also have MMA. If they also have wrestling, boxing, and Sambo, then the odds of it being an MMA gym are even higher.
     

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