To Win or Not to Lose?

[Prince_Alarming]

We call that mother and son.

You guys just have cooler names for techniques

 

[JowGaWolf]

Only speaking for Jow ga. I do it all the time and have shown video of it in the past

Here a different Jow Ga school training it.

 

[JowGaWolf]

From open stance high guard, Mason traps two arms with boxing’s lead hook controlling/clearing the line/bridge for the rear cross. People say this is Wing Chun’s Lan Sau, Tai Chi’s Single Whip, Bagua’s Covering and Spearing Palm and Jow Ga’s Clearing Hand. Yet, I have not seen any CMAists perform trapping in sparring competition. Mason follows CMA principles and concepts, controls, double weights (as I explained in previous posts) and KOs his opponent.

https://imgur.com/Pjx8T7E

In Jow Ga Kung Fu this is the beginner technique taught on day one.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

From open stance high guard, Mason traps two arms with boxing’s lead hook controlling/clearing the line/bridge for the rear cross. People say this is Wing Chun’s Lan Sau, Tai Chi’s Single Whip, Bagua’s Covering and Spearing Palm and Jow Ga’s Clearing Hand. Yet, I have not seen any CMAists perform trapping in sparring competition. Mason follows CMA principles and concepts, controls, double weights (as I explained in previous posts) and KOs his opponent.

https://imgur.com/Pjx8T7E

Trapping with gloves isn’t going to happen the same way as with bare hands.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

You guys just have cooler names for techniques

I don’t think of that as technique, rather a concept. Many people prefer to target with only the first 2 knuckles, I won’t call that technique, I call that a concept. My nomenclature is only important to me, people may have six different names for a kick that I call outward horizontal kick.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

You guys just have cooler names for techniques

Some, but some are not obvious, because there are poetic descriptors in the name. “ 2 children worship the Buddha” or “Monkey steals peach” are good examples that don’t tell you anything unless you have seen the technique work.

 

[isshinryuronin]

We call that mother and son.

Motobu called using two hands together meotode/mefutode, husband and wife.

 

[marvin8]

Only speaking for Jow ga. I do it all the time and have shown video of it in the past

Here a different Jow Ga school training it.

Yes. However, your opponent evaded your punch. As I mentioned, when one tries to control an opponent’s guard in the on guard position, the opponent can evade/counter. At 57:31, Burton Richardson makes the same point in discussing Mason and trapping.

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In sparring competitions like Ding Hao, Qi La La, Bagua, etc., there is no apparent “trapping” If you have a CMA competition video with trapping, please post it.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

If you have a CMA competition video with trapping, please post it.

Can you use this in sparring? I believe you can if you use this as your 1st strike when your opponent is on guard.

1. You throw a fake right punch to bait your opponent to block it.
2. You then use left hand to redirect your opponent's block.
3. You then change your right fake punch into a real punch.

In this video, 1 is missing, but 2,3 are there.


1.

 

[marvin8]

Can you use this in sparring? I believe you can if you use this as your 1st strike when your opponent is on guard.

Please post a CMA sparring competition, not a demo or movie. I have posted boxing and MMA competition trapping like Burton talks about.

 

[isshinryuronin]

- You throw a fake right punch to bait your opponent to block it.
- You then use left hand to redirect your opponent's block.
- You then change yor right fake punch into a real punch.

You can get this same effect without the second step. Throw your punch 1/3 or 1/2 way. The opponent will tense and maybe get a block started. Stopping it short for a half-second will cause him to relax. Then you continue the punch, catching the opponent off-guard. This is called "stuttering" in Parker's kenpo. Also works very well with a front kick. I've landed those many times, setting it up with a full front kick or two.

 

[marvin8]

Motobu called using two hands together meotode/mefutode, husband and wife.

Andy Allen said,

"Motobu coined the term ‘husband and wife hands’, or ‘mefutode’. He wrote,

'When facing an opponent in a combative posture it is important to know the lead hand can be used to deal with both offensive and defensive issues. The lead hand can be used for both protecting and attacking concurrently. The rear hand is used as a reserve if and when the front hand cannot accomplish the intended outcome. Then mefutode can be used for both offense and defense.'

Motobu criticized the practice of chambering the rear hand at the hip poised to strike as this eliminated its potential as a defensive weapon...."

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[Kung Fu Wang]

You can get this same effect without the second step. Throw your punch 1/3 or 1/2 way. The opponent will tense and maybe get a block started. Stopping it short for a half-second will cause him to relax. Then you continue the punch, catching the opponent off-guard. This is called "stuttering" in Parker's kenpo. Also works very well with a front kick. I've landed those many times, setting it up with a full front kick or two.

You are right.

- For striking art, step 2 may not be that important. You just want to land your fist on your opponent's face.
- For grappling art, step 2 is the most important part. You want to control your opponent's leading arm.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Please post a CMA sparring competition, not a demo or movie. I have posted boxing and MMA competition trapping like Burton talks about.

As I have said, switch hands with gloves can be hard to do. But I'm sure you should have seen "arm drag" used on wrestling mat.

I have used "switch hands" in sparring and personal challenge many times (as my 1st attack when my opponent is on guard). But I don't have video for it.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Yes. However, your opponent evaded your punch. As I mentioned, when one tries to control an opponent’s guard in the on guard position, the opponent can evade/counter

You make no sense..

In sparring competitions like Ding Hao, Qi La La, Bagua, etc., there is no apparent “trapping” If you have a CMA competition video with trapping, please post it.

You pay attention to the wrong Practitioners.

 

[JowGaWolf]

As I have said, switch hands with gloves can be hard to do. But I'm sure you should have seen "arm drag" used on wrestling mat.

I have used "switch hands" in sparring and personal challenge many times (as my 1st attack when my opponent is on guard). But I don't have video for it.

Don't waste your energy. He doesn't care about what you can do. He is stuck in that mindset.

 

[marvin8]

You make no sense..


You pay attention to the wrong Practitioners.

Please timestamp where you see trapping.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Motobu called using two hands together meotode/mefutode, husband and wife.

Mother and son may have a more harmonious relationship

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

You can get this same effect without the second step. Throw your punch 1/3 or 1/2 way. The opponent will tense and maybe get a block started. Stopping it short for a half-second will cause him to relax. Then you continue the punch, catching the opponent off-guard. This is called "stuttering" in Parker's kenpo. Also works very well with a front kick. I've landed those many times, setting it up with a full front kick or two.

Both can work, they can lead to different off ramps.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Please timestamp where you see trapping.

You also don't see "overhead" throw used in MMA either because the gloves.