Mushin as a Trainable Practise

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I was reading this and thought it would interesting for those on this board who have a Zen/Chan aspect to their pursuit - a possible shortcut, perhaps.

 

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Very cool, thanks for sharing. Similar trajectory as me actually the last few months... I've been exploring externalising attention rather than the usual meditative internal process, and found alot of benefit. Even doing similar things he mentions as the 180簞 focus, and attention/awareness exercises of attention on both walls, all walls etc..
 

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I was reading this and thought it would interesting for those on this board who have a Zen/Chan aspect to their pursuit - a possible shortcut, perhaps.


I've got something to say about this.

But I'll wait until later. ;)
 
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Very cool, thanks for sharing. Similar trajectory as me actually the last few months... I've been exploring externalising attention rather than the usual meditative internal process, and found alot of benefit. Even doing similar things he mentions as the 180簞 focus, and attention/awareness exercises of attention on both walls, all walls etc..
Hidden Zen: Practices for Sudden Awakening and Embodied Realization by Meido Moore describes some excellent and ancient techniques such as spreading the vision (which I find very useful during meditation) and sometimes distinctly odd techniques to set up a situation when you could suddenly awaken. He points out activities where one enters a state of meditative absorption such as the point one starts voiding a full bladder! Have you noticed that far away look a cat/dog adopts when peeing? He explains some really whacky ones like meditating in graveyards at night, meditating under a sharp sword blade (?Sword of Damocles?), running on uneven ground in the dark (that graveyard again) using your psychic eyes to avoiding tripping over!

I highly recommend his book.

There are some strange practises in Zen and Im reminded of Tenshin Zenki Reb Anderson who found the corpse, in Golden Gate Park, of a man with a bullet wound to the head and a revolver nearby. Anderson returned to the body over a period of several days to meditate over the corpse, on one visit taking the revolver. He was prosecuted for this.
 

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He points out activities where one enters a state of meditative absorption such as the point one starts voiding a full bladder! Have you noticed that far away look a cat/dog adopts when peeing? He explains some really whacky ones like meditating in graveyards at night, meditating under a sharp sword blade (?Sword of Damocles?), running on uneven ground in the dark (that graveyard again) using your psychic eyes to avoiding tripping over!
You mean like when my old shrunken prostate has me standing for some time? :android:
 
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You mean like when my old shrunken prostate has me standing for some time? :android:
In that moment Hyoho, your enlarged prostate is bringing you closer to Buddhahood守ntil you dribble onto ur cleanly pressed chinos and the internal swearing begins!
 
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Its peculiar what hits you into a higher state. Theres a advert on TV for a perfume (Miss Dior) in which, five seconds in, Natalie Portman looks into the camera and says, sharply Wake up! When I first saw it, it really startled me and for a few tens of seconds I felt really.awake圩ree of the attachment to thought奸ike a plate spinning on a sharpened rod. But like a spinning plate, I soon crashed down to earth! So strange.
 

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Its peculiar what hits you into a higher state. Theres a advert on TV for a perfume (Miss Dior) in which, five seconds in, Natalie Portman looks into the camera and says, sharply Wake up! When I first saw it, it really startled me and for a few tens of seconds I felt really.awake圩ree of the attachment to thought奸ike a plate spinning on a sharpened rod. But like a spinning plate, I soon crashed down to earth! So strange.
Walk outside in 20 degree weather, you'll find enlightenment really fast.
 
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Walk outside in 20 degree weather, you'll find enlightenment really fast.
20 Celsius? Thats a the temperature of pleasant Spring day in the U.K.!
 
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There no such thing as a pleasant spring in the British isles...
20 Celsius?
Winter is coming.
Its already here and so our friends from the USA would be advised to stay away. Its awful here and youd hate it - honestly. You have no reason to leave your wonderful country where you have lots of everything.
 

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Its already here and so our friends from the USA would be advised to stay away. Its awful here and youd hate it - honestly. You have no reason to leave your wonderful country where you have lots of everything.
Winter is still 3 weeks away, really.

One thing we have that the British Isles don't, is lots of cold, cold mountains.

Do you even have bears there? We have quite a few different types.
 
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Bears? Our most dangerous indigenous mammals are (American) grey squirrels.

The only good thing about Britain is we are, in every way, beige. No true extreme weather, no true extreme political views, no true extreme violent crimes, no true extreme geological features. People with alternative lifestyles can walk around (hand in hand) anywhere without fear of (open) abuse, we dont have guns etc. Its beige, beige, beige and I for one, like that.

But honestly, its an awful place. Youd really hate it so stay where you are as its probably much better多onestly.
 

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Bears? Our most dangerous indigenous mammals are (American) grey squirrels.

The only good thing about Britain is we are, in every way, beige. No true extreme weather, no true extreme political views, no true extreme violent crimes, no true extreme geological features. People with alternative lifestyles can walk around (hand in hand) anywhere without fear of (open) abuse, we dont have guns etc. Its beige, beige, beige and I for one, like that.

But honestly, its an awful place. Youd really hate it so stay where you are as its probably much better多onestly.
That whole post sounded like a Monty Python skit.

No true extreme violent crimes, that was a good one.
 

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I was reading this and thought it would interesting for those on this board who have a Zen/Chan aspect to their pursuit - a possible shortcut, perhaps.

I can't get out, the monk said. My horns won't fit through the door. - Robert Anton Wilson, Prometheus Rising.
 

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"OH boy, another Zen post" I said to myself only to find out its from the lineage I trained with.
I find that funny and a bit odd.

But I don't see how the article points to a short cut. Zen is simple really just stop talking with your mouth and your mind and experience the world.
 

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"OH boy, another Zen post" I said to myself only to find out its from the lineage I trained with.
I find that funny and a bit odd.

But I don't see how the article points to a short cut. Zen is simple really just stop talking with your mouth and your mind and experience the world.
I blame Japan for this. They sort of ruined things by taking the fun out.

Chan literature is full of funny stories that don't make much sense. And the secret is laughing at the people who try to. There is just no need and the training is meant to lead you to that.

But no, the Japan Empire had to tell pilots "you must be Zen...now go crash into that ship. Here's some rice wine".

I watched some movie about the suicide torpedo guys in WWII...try being mushin in one of those death cannisters.
 

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