I'd offer that to take those away from the art... and it is no longer the art. For me, it's a package thing, the entire, complete package of what is being trained. We're back to labels again.or my own experience that i outlined in one thread or another that lau gar kung fu was ''deadly'' for sd, which was much mocked my martial D. and it was when i did it, the fitness training was brutal, the free fighting at the end even more brutal, take those away and maybe its not so deadly after all