Head of State II?

[celtic_crippler]

First off...I'm niether Republican or Democrat...this is merely the observation of an unbiased observer. LOL

In lieu of Matt Damon's recent interview...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6urw_PWHYk&feature=bz302

Isn't Obama's run more like a "Disney Movie" than anyone's? I mean... Didn't I see this plot line already? You know...where the community organizer gets a shot at the White House? Wasn't Chris Rock in that?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0325537/

I wish these Hollywood types would keep their noses out of politics. I sometimes think they spend so much time in fantasy that they wouldn't know reality if it walked up and asked for an autograph. LOL

 

[elder999]

I wish these Hollywood types would keep their noses out of politics. I sometimes think they spend so much time in fantasy that they wouldn't know reality if it walked up and asked for an autograph. LOL

I almost agreed with you right up to here; those "Hollywood types" have another name: ]citizens of the United States of America......of course, they live in a different America altogether from most of us, no matter what Barack Obama says about there "only being a United States of America," but their as entitled to have their political opinions and express them as anyone else.

 

[celtic_crippler]

Yes "they're" entitled to their opinion, but few citizens have the vast platform and influence they have.

If they're going to run off at the mouth they could at least do some research first. They also have a responsibility because of their influence IMHO.

I thought his argument was actually more applicable to Obama.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Itheir as entitled to have their political opinions and express them as anyone else.

Yes they are but their perceived position in society does not make their "opinion" any better (or any worse) than anyone else’s and in some cases, and this is only my opinion, I feel that they think it does. And the use the platform that is available to them and not readily available to others to put forth that opinion

 

[elder999]

Yes they are but their perceived position in society does not make their "opinion" any better (or any worse) than anyone else’s and in some cases, and this is only my opinion, I feel that they think it does. And the use the platform that is available to them and not readily available to others to put forth that opinion

"Not readily available to others?"

Let's see, those of us with the means, can and do take out ads in the paper, or on television-like T. Boone Pickens' commercials promoting alternative energy. Of course, he's not a "Hollywood type," but people still seem to be listening.

In any case, this is the only instance I can see that your "not readily available" applies to-that most people can't afford to get their opinion out the same way, and that most people will pay more attention to a celebrity than any old Joe or Jane Citizen.

Too bad. Joe or Jane Citizen can and do write letters to the editors of their papers, op-ed pieces, letters to their congressmen, the President, etc., etc., etc.

Some of them even blog, or post on internet forums. :idea:

....and just about all of us think our opinion is better than those that disagree with it. What are they guilty of? Self-esteem?

Most of the time when I hear people griping about the political opinions of "Hollywood types," it's not because they resent either of those things, but because they don't agree with them. Not agreeing with someone is not a reason to take away their voice, their right of expression, or their means of expression, which, in this case, would be their money and their celebrity.

 

[celtic_crippler]

Are you denying that celebrities have any responsibility when it comes to voicing their opinion, especially when it's to millions and they influence millions?

As compared to Joe Schmoe who may influence his bowling buddies or a few in his car pool.....

There is a difference.

 

[elder999]

Are you denying that celebrities have any responsibility when it comes to voicing their opinion, especially when it's to millions and they influence millions?

As compared to Joe Schmoe who may influence his bowling buddies or a few in his car pool.....

There is a difference.

Celebrities have no more responsibility in this regard than anyone else.

How much has Matt Damon's opinion influenced you?

Which is more irresponsible-Matt Damon's opinions as expressed in the video (which I haven't viewed, as I can't right now) or those expressed in numerous free and anonymous viral emails detailing how Barack Obama is a Muslim, who went to a Muslim school in Indonesia, isn't black but of Arabic descent, has lied about numerous things that he's clearly told the truth about, and is all but the "Manchurian Negro," an agent of the Anti-Christ, if not the Anti-Christ himself, sent to take America to hell, or at least turn it over to his Arabic/Communist/Red Chinese/ Socialist/Terrorist/ Radical overlords??????? :lol: :lol: :lol::lfao:

 

[Big Don]

First off...I'm niether Republican or Democrat...this is merely the observation of an unbiased observer. LOL

In lieu of Matt Damon's recent interview...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6urw_PWHYk&feature=bz302

Isn't Obama's run more like a "Disney Movie" than anyone's? I mean... Didn't I see this plot line already? You know...where the community organizer gets a shot at the White House? Wasn't Chris Rock in that?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0325537/

Oh, man. You scared me, I thought Hollywood might actually be making a sequel to that festering piece of crap.

I wish these Hollywood types would keep their noses out of politics. I sometimes think they spend so much time in fantasy that they wouldn't know reality if it walked up and asked for an autograph. LOL

Laura Ingraham wrote a book about celebs and politics. Shut up and sing.
If only they would.
Yes, they do have a right to free speech. We all do. We all don't have cameras and reporters eager to hear every idiotic thing that comes out of our mouths, they do.

 

[Xue Sheng]

"Not readily available to others?"

Let's see, those of us with the means, can and do take out ads in the paper, or on television-like T. Boone Pickens' commercials promoting alternative energy. Of course, he's not a "Hollywood type," but people still seem to be listening.

In any case, this is the only instance I can see that your "not readily available" applies to-that most people can't afford to get their opinion out the same way, and that most people will pay more attention to a celebrity than any old Joe or Jane Citizen.

Too bad. Joe or Jane Citizen can and do write letters to the editors of their papers, op-ed pieces, letters to their congressmen, the President, etc., etc., etc.

Some of them even blog, or post on internet forums. :idea:

....and just about all of us think our opinion is better than those that disagree with it. What are they guilty of? Self-esteem?

Most of the time when I hear people griping about the political opinions of "Hollywood types," it's not because they resent either of those things, but because they don't agree with them. Not agreeing with someone is not a reason to take away their voice, their right of expression, or their means of expression, which, in this case, would be their money and their celebrity.

First you are making a whole lot of assumptions about me and what I said that are not exactly correct and putting a whole lot of words in my mouth that I did not say but if that what you want to do go for it. But I am not that complicated.

My meaning is talk shows, movies, mass media coverage and TV shows, not exactly readily available to the average Joe.

As to agree or disagree, not an issue here for me I have agreed with some and disagreed with some and I still say the average person is never going to be on Letterman, The Tonight Show or Good Morning America talking politics or put out an Album and make videos to put forth thier opinion that multitudes of people will pay to see or look for on TV and I do not think the averge person will have MTV ask them to put a video on either.

And if T. Boone Pickens speaks, without paying for it first.... who listens? If Ben Affleck speaks does he actually have to pay for the media that follows him around? And who listens?

As to this section

....and just about all of us think our opinion is better than those that disagree with it. What are they guilty of? Self-esteem?

I never said anyone was guilty of anything but then I am thinking you are just attempting to get a rise out of me and if that is the case have at me, if it is not I guess I am guilty of an incorrect assumption.

And for future reference I do not thing either party is worth a damn and they haven't been worth a damn for a very long time. I would love to just once vote for the guy I thought was going to do the best job and had the best interests of the country in mind. But per usual I am just trying to figure out who will do the least damage.

 

[celtic_crippler]

Celebrities have no more responsibility in this regard than anyone else.

How much has Matt Damon's opinion influenced you?

Which is more irresponsible-Matt Damon's opinions as expressed in the video (which I haven't viewed, as I can't right now) or those expressed in numerous free and anonymous viral emails detailing how Barack Obama is a Muslim, who went to a Muslim school in Indonesia, isn't black but of Arabic descent, has lied about numerous things that he's clearly told the truth about, and is all but the "Manchurian Negro," an agent of the Anti-Christ, if not the Anti-Christ himself, sent to take America to hell, or at least turn it over to his Arabic/Communist/Red Chinese/ Socialist/Terrorist/ Radical overlords??????? :lol: :lol: :lol::lfao:

I'm by no means a lemming nor am I a sheep. If I were I'd probably pick either the Dems or the GOP and vote party lines every time I got the chance regardless of the affect or whether their actual platforms conformed to my way of thinking.

Matt Damon has done nothing but show me what an ill informed person he is. I still enjoy his movies and think he's a good actor.

As for the all the Obama slander, I don't like it either. I'm constantly sending my own relatives references to snopes in hope they will stop being lemmings and sheep as well. It doesn't matter what "side" is slinging the mud, it's still mud.

Now, back to topic. :headbangin:

I firmly believe that those in a position of extreme influence do have a responsibilty to at least do their homework and form an educated opinion. If you view his interview, he actually admits to knowing little about the Palin. It's not like Matt Damon doesn't have access to google.

Yet without doing his "homework" he goes on national TV and voices his opinion, which whether you want to accept it or not, influences millions of other lemming/sheep.

It is apparent that we differ on whether those with enormous platforms of influence have any responsibility to those they influence.

You have stated that you do not think they do.

I, on the other hand, feel that they do.

On a smaller scale, those that trust in me and value my opinion deserve my best advice IMHO. My students come to me with questions, and I feel I owe it to them to give thought to their questions and give them an educated and informed reply free of bias (as much as humanly possible).

I feel this way because they TRUST in me and my reply will have an effect on their decisions and actions. I respect them and as such I want them to make the best decisions they can that will have the most positive impact on thier lives, they are owed at least that much IMHO.

So, on a larger scale, if I was ever graced with such a platform and realm of influence, I would apply the same philosophy. Before giving an opinion I would feel obligated to know all the facts first.

A little respect goes a long way.

 

[Twin Fist]

so called 'artists" have always thought they were smarter or more enlightened than the everyday rabble

they have people telling them night and day how smart, beautiful, and BETTER then are than anyone else.

The real problem is that they celebs opinion gets shown around the world, and lots of people believe it

Just like how lots of people believe Micheal "another donut please" moore's films..................