Differences between Ju jitsu and BJJ

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Again it is still Jiu Jitsu
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Originally posted by JDenz

If you think anyone can take three guys with broken bottles maybe you should stop watching Van Damn movies. I am sure Royce would get the hell out of there just like I would.


Who needs to take all 3? A quick shiho-nage on the first would probably be enough to buy yourself enough time to leg it, especially if you did it so fast it broke his wrist/arm/shoulder :)

No-one ever said jujitsu-ka would try to take out all three. That would be a last resort.

Another option would be to take the first attacker, reverse his grip and hold the pointy bits against his neck. That should be enough to slow down his companions. If it's not, severing the carotoid artery would probably show them enough resolve for them to wish they'd worn darker underwear.

Handling weapons is an important skill in any complete martial art, and should have a lot of training time devoted to it.
 

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No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats like saying Your father came from your
Grandfather.
U came from Your Father
& no mader how much Your grandfather
Thinks U are odd
U are still part of the family
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But trying to say that BJJ is the same as Jujitsu because judo came from jujitsu and bjj came from Judo IS like saying the grandchild is the same as the grandparent. They may be in the same "family" (ie throwing styles) but they are most certainly not the same.
 

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I said & will say again it is Jiu Jitsu
I am Primo the 3rd
My father is Primo the 2nd
My grandfather is the first

While we don't look exzacly
the same we still have simaliraty's
We still have the same name
We do not agree with
each others wardrobe

But we are still part of the same
FAMILIA
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Do u know what CHIKURA KURABE
is if not let me tell UUUUUUUUUU
It was a Japanies style of Wrestling
That served as a base for Ju Jutsu
Also a history lesson
Ju Jutsu came from India then China
& finaly Japan were it was named!
It was intergrated with CHIKURA KURABE ( ALSO CALLED YAWARA)
And tought to young Samuri
Word to the wize pick up a book!
Primo
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Originally posted by ace


Do u know what CHIKURA KURABE
is if not let me tell UUUUUUUUUU
It was a Japanies style of Wrestling
That served as a base for Ju Jutsu
Also a history lesson
Ju Jutsu came from India then China
& finaly Japan were it was named!
It was intergrated with CHIKURA KURABE ( ALSO CALLED YAWARA)
And tought to young Samuri
Word to the wize pick up a book!
Primo
:asian: :asian:

Please don't start assuming I'm an idiot that knows nothing. I don't appreciate it. :)

So by your reasoning, Jujitsu is just Chikura Kurabe? If so, call BJJ Chikura Kurabe. If not, your logic is disproved by your own argument, so you should come up with a new name.
 
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JDenz

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Lol I am sure a BJJ practiciner could take out one guy quick and hoof it to or hurt a guy bad enough to make room to hoof it as well. BJJ is not all rolling around on the ground. Ask Wallied Ismail, Rorion Gracie, or a silmier BJJ guy.
 

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From Primo to all those who
deserve it!!!!!
 
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Originally posted by JDenz

Lol I am sure a BJJ practiciner could take out one guy quick and hoof it to or hurt a guy bad enough to make room to hoof it as well. BJJ is not all rolling around on the ground. Ask Wallied Ismail, Rorion Gracie, or a silmier BJJ guy.

Who gives a sh#t?

This has just turning into a pissing contest. All martial arts originated in China anyway so bugger it BJJ is just an early form of Chinese wrestling (all names escape me at this point). Lets just say BJJ is similar to other styles but with it's own idiosychrisies(spelling?). I think we should all just look at each style on its merits not demerits. As long as where you train gives you what you require then it is good.

Cheers
Sammy
 

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Hey Sammy
Jiu Jitsu originated in India!!(Fact)
Pankration is the oldest dating M.A.
& it originated in greece!!(Fact)

China is defenitly 1 of the front runners
but not all M.A. came from there!!(Fact)
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Sammy go back & read what is written!!!!
This debate is that some feel BJJ is not
Jiu Jitsu!!!

:erg: :erg: :erg:
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Aegis U rename & present it to Heilo
He is the man U are mad at.
u think of a name & U tell him
He is not doin Jiu Jitsu!!!!
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Id love to see his reply
 

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Pankration.... Ancient Greek wrestling.....

Wouldn't you think the older civilisations had martial arts too? And Jujitsu didn't originate in India. It originated in Japan. It may have very distant roots in India, but didn't originate there....
 
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Angus

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Who said BJJ wasn't Jiu-Jitsu? From what I can see, BJJ is the only jiu-jitsu.:D

Oh, and Primo, could you please not include so much animation into each post? It makes it so that every time I scroll over one of your posts it slows everything WAY down.
 

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Boys, Boys, Boys, Let's not fight. It's like what came first the chicken or the egg. I think too many people get wrap up in the name game. The name doesn't make you a better fighter/martial artist. It comes from inside.
Bob :asian:
 

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For 1 Pankration had strikes Submisson &Wrestling

Fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ju Jutsu came from India traveld thru China
& then To Japan1532
This is the oldest date Recorded

:argue:
Ill say it again go get a Book
Here are some good ones
with a lot of history
Ju Jitsu the basic techniques
of the gental art By George Kirby

Kodokan Judo By Jigoro Kano
these are a couple
Read them.
Learn the facts!
:asian:
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So sorry i like The toons!:wavey:
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Just some random ramblings on various things said.

Bodhidarma taught some monks in China certain meditation exercises which were then developed into forms of self defence etc etc. I know the basic history but don't chose to just carry on and attempt to make others look silly. Anyone can be book smart.

BJJ or any arts based on those of the orient don't have any link to pankration. I don't see the connection here

Lastly I totally agree that BJJ is based on a Japenese art but Helio made some adjustments etc. It isn't all that though. When Helio fought the great Japanese Judoka Kimura whom he was defeated very easily. He was rendered unconscious once and burst a blood vessel in his ear from a Kimura head lock. After Kimura secured an arm bar the Brazilians threw in the towel. It wasn't 10 minutes of back and forth randori. The only reason he didn't submit was because he was asleep at the time. If it is based on Judo then it isn't all that great a version of it.

Cheers
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First no Pankration has nothing to do with
this debate.
I used it as an excample of a Martial Art
not created in China.

Second Carlos Gracie learned Ju Jutsu & Judo
From Count Koma.

Helio learned from his brother
But because he was a naturaly
Week person he adabted the technique
To fit his needs.

He would then go on to become one of the greatist
Fighters of Brazil.

He fought many Japanies fighters deafitng all but1
Kimura.
How Ever flash forward His son Rickson would face Kimura's
Top student chocking him out in Under 5 minuets.

Back to Helio He was out weighd by like 50 pounds
And Kimura made abold Statement that if Helio could
Last longer than 5 minutes he should be the winner.
it lasted almost an hour.
Kimura even asked Helio to move to Japan to teach his style

They offerd more money than had been oferd to anyone out side the Kotokan.

This debate is in my @@ eyes stupid
I said it before I will say it again
BJJ is Jiu Jitsu.

Like it or not!
 

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