Combative systems, that offer remote training content, which focus on weapons-based grappling?

[GreenieMeanie]

What are some combative systems, that offer remote training content, which focus on weapons-based grappling/tracing?

I know Knife Control Concepts, and ShivWorks--but ShivWorks online content focuses exclusively on the assumption that you're going to control the weapon while standing, in order to draw your own, and KCC's curriculum is expensive.

 

[drop bear]

What I would suggest is get very good at wrestling. And then spend the extra bit learning how to wrestle with a knife.

do a folk style or a catch. Something that likes to grip fight or arm drag.

 

[GreenieMeanie]

What I would suggest is get very good at wrestling. And then spend the extra bit learning how to wrestle with a knife.

do a folk style or a catch. Something that likes to grip fight or arm drag.

I've found that the "rules" in grappling change entirely, once a weapon is in play, because the focus is on controlling the weapon, and not the other person. Controlling them becomes secondary.

 

[Blindside]

I don't know what tracing is.

Almost all knife defense comes down to grappling so that happens all the time, though figuring out how to strike while defending is huge.

This is a very good product, I have been very impressed with it.

Knife Defense For The Street (1 series)

A comprehensive knife defense video program to help you defend yourself in a street situation against a knife or other edged weapons. We specialize in street effective realistic self defense.

jkdunlimited.com

Stick Grappling (you didn't say which weapon)

DBMA Stick Grappling: Guard - Anti-Guard

3 Hours & 50 Minutes of Top Notch training from Punong Guro Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny!"If You See It Taught, You See It Fought." Nobody field tests like PG Crafty (the man who brought BJJ to Dog Brothers fighting) and the Dog Brothers.Stick Grappling has three simultaneous fights:*The stick...

dogbrothers.gumroad.com

 

[GreenieMeanie]

I don't know what tracing is.

Almost all knife defense comes down to grappling so that happens all the time, though figuring out how to strike while defending is huge.

This is a very good product, I have been very impressed with it.

Knife Defense For The Street (1 series)

A comprehensive knife defense video program to help you defend yourself in a street situation against a knife or other edged weapons. We specialize in street effective realistic self defense.

jkdunlimited.com

Stick Grappling (you didn't say which weapon)

DBMA Stick Grappling: Guard - Anti-Guard

3 Hours & 50 Minutes of Top Notch training from Punong Guro Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny!"If You See It Taught, You See It Fought." Nobody field tests like PG Crafty (the man who brought BJJ to Dog Brothers fighting) and the Dog Brothers.Stick Grappling has three simultaneous fights:*The stick...

dogbrothers.gumroad.com

Tracing--as in you follow the weapon.

The JKD bit's price is highly attractive, compared to what else I've seen. I spent a fair amount of time with edged weapon stuff. Counterring and control is easy. My weakness is following it once in clinch, or going to the ground. How much of that does this series cover?

Do you have a resource for handgun as well?

 

[GreenieMeanie]

I don't know what tracing is.

Almost all knife defense comes down to grappling so that happens all the time, though figuring out how to strike while defending is huge.

This is a very good product, I have been very impressed with it.

Knife Defense For The Street (1 series)

A comprehensive knife defense video program to help you defend yourself in a street situation against a knife or other edged weapons. We specialize in street effective realistic self defense.

jkdunlimited.com

Stick Grappling (you didn't say which weapon)

DBMA Stick Grappling: Guard - Anti-Guard

3 Hours & 50 Minutes of Top Notch training from Punong Guro Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny!"If You See It Taught, You See It Fought." Nobody field tests like PG Crafty (the man who brought BJJ to Dog Brothers fighting) and the Dog Brothers.Stick Grappling has three simultaneous fights:*The stick...

dogbrothers.gumroad.com

 

[GreenieMeanie]

I don't know what tracing is.

Almost all knife defense comes down to grappling so that happens all the time, though figuring out how to strike while defending is huge.

This is a very good product, I have been very impressed with it.

Knife Defense For The Street (1 series)

A comprehensive knife defense video program to help you defend yourself in a street situation against a knife or other edged weapons. We specialize in street effective realistic self defense.

jkdunlimited.com

Stick Grappling (you didn't say which weapon)

DBMA Stick Grappling: Guard - Anti-Guard

3 Hours & 50 Minutes of Top Notch training from Punong Guro Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny!"If You See It Taught, You See It Fought." Nobody field tests like PG Crafty (the man who brought BJJ to Dog Brothers fighting) and the Dog Brothers.Stick Grappling has three simultaneous fights:*The stick...

dogbrothers.gumroad.com

How do you feel about Dog Brothers clinch stick material?

 

[Blindside]

Tracing--as in you follow the weapon.

The JKD bit's price is highly attractive, compared to what else I've seen. I spent a fair amount of time with edged weapon stuff. Counterring and control is easy. My weakness is following it once in clinch, or going to the ground. How much of that does this series cover?

Do you have a resource for handgun as well?

I just went back and looked at it, not much on the ground. Basically just showing how to control the knife from guard and then recover to an inside two on one position. For the rest of the positions he basically says you need more grappling expeirence to pull position improvement off while controlling the weapon for him to be able to address it, so if you are on the bottom he is advising to get back to guard to then get to his preferred inside control point. In rewatching it I am surprised at the lack of a position where the defender has overwrapped the weapon while mounted. Bridging out of that is relatively easy against untrained grapplers.

I don't do a lot with handgun, I like about 90% of the stuff I see from Todd Fossey and he addresses weapon grappling a lot but mostly from the point of the defender so approach wise it is probably pretty similar to your issues with Shivworks.

 

[Blindside]

How do you feel about Dog Brothers clinch stick material?

Is there a dedicated video to it? I don't remember there being one that really focused instruction on it. More like material spread out over several videos rather than one. Admittedly I don't think I have ever seen anything from DBs where I thought "well that is crap," but there has been stuff that I didn't like or I wouldn't work well for me.

 

[drop bear]

I've found that the "rules" in grappling change entirely, once a weapon is in play, because the focus is on controlling the weapon, and not the other person. Controlling them becomes secondary.

Correct. But you can't control the weapon without controlling the person.

It is where knife fighting fails under pressure generally.

You take the hand. And they just take it straight back. Or you flail for the hand and you just get shanked repeatedly.

So the rules change. But not the abilities required.

So you will still see a lot of two on one russian stuff and underhook controlling.

 

[frank raud]

-but ShivWorks online content focuses exclusively on the assumption that you're going to control the weapon while standing, in order to draw your own,

As 4 out of 5 of the remaining Shivworks collective are BJJ black belts, there plenty of grappling on the ground with weapons.

 

[GreenieMeanie]

As 4 out of 5 of the remaining Shivworks collective are BJJ black belts, there plenty of grappling on the ground with weapons.

Remaining? This is not true for the remote training.

 

[frank raud]

Remaining? This is not true for the remote training.

Yes, remaining. Dr William Aprill has passed(RIP). That you have only seen some stuff from Craig Douglas ( the main guy at Shivworks) doesn't mean there is not more content out there.

 

[GreenieMeanie]

Yes, remaining. Dr William Aprill has passed(RIP). That you have only seen some stuff from Craig Douglas ( the main guy at Shivworks) doesn't mean there is not more content out there.

Who are they? I've only hear of Craig Douglas and one other guy.

 

[frank raud]

Who are they? I've only hear of Craig Douglas and one other guy.

Look up the Shivworks Collective.

 

[GreenieMeanie]

Look up the Shivworks Collective.

Doesn't seem they offer remote

 

[frank raud]

Doesn't seem they offer remote

Cecil did some remote stuff during the pandemic, there's plenty of stuff from Paul on Youtube, they both have DVDs available.