leomel pino
Yellow Belt
hi everyone interested in authentic eskrima?
questions and experiences are highly welcomed.
questions and experiences are highly welcomed.
cebu eskrima
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leomel pino
Yellow Belt
authentic eskrima are styles which are not commercialized and mixed with other MAs and lads, im from cebu and i had vast knowledge when it comes to our native arts like dugukan a grappling art which is only native in the town of dalaguete, and eskrima is wide spread among the towns here in cebu especially in the mountainous parts of cebu where old eskrimadors lived as hermits, there are still things in eskrima that foriegners, even if they are qualified masters do not know about eskrima its secrets are only taught to filipinos who studied from masters in the countryside mostly relatives of the master.
leomel pino said:
Is dugukan a weapon based art like eskrima or is it purely a wrestling style? I'm interested in knowing more about it if you're willing to divulge.
leomel pino said:
I agree. There is a lot that is still mysterious. The western student comes from a different reference point and sometimes is "unable" to learn in the same way that a Filipino can, coming from that same culture.
I would say also that the bias of some teachers against outsiders extends to other Filipino ethnic groups as well and isn't solely a bias against foreigners. There's also the language barrier. I've met some teachers who speak pretty good Filipino-English but have some difficulty in Tagalog. If you don't speak the local dialect of that hermit master, you probably won't get much training. It pays to be open to learning the local culture.
leomel pino
Yellow Belt
dugukan is an unarmed combat style and if yoou're interested about it train here in cebu, I can be your translator so i also can see if it is related to dumog or not.
leomel pino
Yellow Belt
Yes im here in cebu and my style of eskrima is developed by my mother's uncle, mainly largo mano and kinamot and about systema, i only learned this from a ukrainian tourist that i met in the streets
leomel pino said:
Why is it that you don't want to give the name of your eskrima style? "Kamot" being hand, "Kinamot" meaning "using hands" often is used in terms of "eating with your hands". Usually I've heard of the empty hand part of the art as pangamot or mano-mano. Is the "kinamot" the method of empty hand in your mother's uncle's system? Who is your mother's uncle?
leomel pino
Yellow Belt
we just called it garote that is the common name of eskrima here and the style is not commercial it is only taught to relatives and my mother's uncle is Frankit Montajes from Tuburan, Cebu and all i know that his eskrima was passed on him by a certian Rogelio Canete.
leomel pino
Yellow Belt
yes, its called rogelio, ive seen him in person and he doesnt look similar to eulogio.
leomel pino
Yellow Belt
yes and no. yes, in the fact that eskrima is almost dying art and no, because of supersizing the art. if you want the old eskrima PM me.
kroh said:
Walt,
The Filipino people are like people anywhere. They are more concerned about the quality of the person than the letters on their passport. In general Filipinos believe in equality, justice, fair play, and God. They will treat good people as good people should be treated. Also, an understanding of the language will go a long way.
Eskrima is not dying. It is alive and well and flourishing in fact. If you go to Cebu you'll find that out. It's best to go there after you've already made contact with someone or have references. If you don't have those options you should go during the WEKAF Championships or during the Sinulog. You will soon find other westerners there and they will lead you to the right spots. You can also contact some of the larger styles. They advertise publicly.
My teacher, Ramon Rubia is going to be in Cebu all summer. You can email him at rrubia@sanmigueleskrima.com. You can also contact GM Diony Canete. He is very receptive and you can contact him at:
Doce Pares International
World Headquarters
30 Eagle Street, Sto.Niño Village
Banilad, Cebu City 6000 - Philippines
dioncan@doceparesinternational.com
(63-32)346-0433
(63-32)344-3028
As you can tell there are many different styles of eskrima and many different teachers. This "supersizing" occurs, but it is not killing eskrima. Just because someone has a business license doesn't mean they sell crap. It indicates that they pay taxes and are somewhat organized. There is good and bad eskrima and what makes it so is very personal. You will have to do some hunting around and research to find what is best for you. Leomel might be the way to go, I know nothing of his eskrima so I can't say. But I would not narrow my options to only him if I were you.
My personal suggestion of course would be to look for Doce Pares.
leomel pino
Yellow Belt
larger styles are not the original anymore because of blending other MAs but our family's eskrima is different because when we add another technique we do not look on other MAs but we refer to our principles.
leomel pino said:
From my experience, even the larger styles of FMA look at their own principles. But if they see something out there that is good they are willing to grow and absorb it. The fact is FMA are a product of the synthesis between Filipino, Spanish, American, Chinese, and Japanese cultures. Each had something of value that was recognized and absorbed by the Filipino stylist. Even your word "garote" comes from "garrote", the Spanish for "stick". "Eskrima", "Arnis", and even "Kali" are terms originally coined from another culture. If your system has espada y daga it has an influence from an outside art. If it includes the use of the bullwhip, it has influence from an outside art.
About your art, can you be sure where it came from originally? You said it came from Rogelio Canete who is still alive and whom you have seen. Where did he get it? Have you asked where he got it? Claims of originality and purity need to be substantiated to be believed.
What kind of principles does your eskrima employ? How about an example? An example from Doce Pares would be "hayang kulob".
leomel pino
Yellow Belt
hayang kulob is our main arsenal because of its speed and effectiveness.
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