I am sure everyone would disagree with something said in this article, but it is a good read, nonetheless.
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JeffJ said:
Yes, same here. I hadn't even heard of some of the cartridges mentioned. Regarding the .17, I'd think one of the new high-powered pellet rifles would be far more cost effective.
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Most interesting article indeed...
I find it odd that he'd say this, since the .30-06 Springfield cartridge is a most wonderful cartridge for the handloader. It has quite a wide working pressure range, and is one of the easiest bottlenecked rifle cartridges to load.
As for the rest of the article, he does make a good point, that for every less-common cartridge that's out there, there's a more common counterpart that offers similar performance / specs. After all, what does the prey care, if the same weight .30" bullet is launched from a .30-06 or a wildcat cartridge, if the velocities are similar?
However, I will point out, that cartridges stay alive for a good reason: they work very well for their purposes, and that for every group of naysayers that say it's no longer needed, there's going to be some yeasayers (is that a word?) that can shoot best with it.
Some folks have designed custom loads with painstaking care, and it will be a cold day in Hell before you pry away their favorite calibers!
I find it odd that he'd say this, since the .30-06 Springfield cartridge is a most wonderful cartridge for the handloader. It has quite a wide working pressure range, and is one of the easiest bottlenecked rifle cartridges to load.
As for the rest of the article, he does make a good point, that for every less-common cartridge that's out there, there's a more common counterpart that offers similar performance / specs. After all, what does the prey care, if the same weight .30" bullet is launched from a .30-06 or a wildcat cartridge, if the velocities are similar?
However, I will point out, that cartridges stay alive for a good reason: they work very well for their purposes, and that for every group of naysayers that say it's no longer needed, there's going to be some yeasayers (is that a word?) that can shoot best with it.
Some folks have designed custom loads with painstaking care, and it will be a cold day in Hell before you pry away their favorite calibers!
KenpoTex
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Interesting article, thanks for posting that.
I agreed with just about everything he said. The only exception was with regard to his comments about the .30-06. I've always felt that this was one of the most versatile rounds out there. If I could only have one rifle, that'd probably be it.
but hey, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
I agreed with just about everything he said. The only exception was with regard to his comments about the .30-06. I've always felt that this was one of the most versatile rounds out there. If I could only have one rifle, that'd probably be it.
but hey, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
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Remember this guys main premise.
"if I were heading up a brand-new company just getting into the business of manufacturing centerfire rifle ammunition, which calibers would I produce?"
And I think there he has a really good point. Over the years some calibers have proven to be around for the long haul, others are a niche market. If I were starting up an Ammo factory Id have to say Im in total agreement with the guy. The issue of these other rounds effectiveness well thats a different topic.
"if I were heading up a brand-new company just getting into the business of manufacturing centerfire rifle ammunition, which calibers would I produce?"
And I think there he has a really good point. Over the years some calibers have proven to be around for the long haul, others are a niche market. If I were starting up an Ammo factory Id have to say Im in total agreement with the guy. The issue of these other rounds effectiveness well thats a different topic.
arnisandyz
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If I were an ammo company a military cartridge that i would probably not manufacture is the 30 carbine. I believe the only reason it exists today is to feed the surplus M1 Carbines.Don't get me wrong, I love the M1 Carbine, my dad had and old GI Model in the Philippines, and it served its purpose at the time, but I don't believe there are any new firearms designed around the 30 carbine cartridge. Its not a very powerful rifle cartridge and only slightly better than most handgun cartridges, I think its on par with a 357 magnum? Modern technology has caught up and many subguns with the right ammo may be superior. A 10mm would be more compact and close in ballistics to a 30 carbine, probably better. The AK47 shooting a 7.62x39 is far more poweful and only slightly larger.
That being said, I'm glad its still manufactured and people are still shooting the M1 Carbine. One guy was shooting one at the last match and was kicking but with it!
That being said, I'm glad its still manufactured and people are still shooting the M1 Carbine. One guy was shooting one at the last match and was kicking but with it!
KenpoTex
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I believe Ruger still chambers a Blackhawk for that round (or if they don't, they just quit within the last few years).arnisandyz said:
I do agree that it's not really much of a round. However, we have to remember that the M-1 Carbine was never intended to be a "combat rifle." What I mean was that it was designed for close to medium range combat (100 yards, maybe a little more). For this type of application it did pretty well. More accurate than a pistol, but lighter and less awkward than the M-1 Garands and '03 Springfields that were the issued rifles of the time.
