Dancing Dragon said:I think I remember reading up on a Jun Fan Gung Fu curriculum. I'll post it when I find it.
arnisador said:Thanks, I appreciate that! I'm getting to do more and more of it where I am training but it's a mixed WC/Jun Fan/JKD class and I don't always know what is from where!
achilles said:I don't think that is the case. I'll give you some examples:
A lot of instructors who stick to the original material still teach things differently. Bob Bremmer teaches a diagonal fist, as does Inosanto when asked specifically, while Jerry Poteet teaches a vertical fist. Some instructors make a big deal about the immoveable elbow, but others like Ted Wong teach their students to keep their elbow virtually touching their ribs. Some teachers include some grappling while others contend that JKD is purely a striking art. There is also debate on 3rd hand striking tactics and whether the wedging bil gee is part of the art or not.
achilles said:I can see that if what you want is wing chun then you should probably do wing chun. I think this is analogous to criticizing American Football for not being rugby. They are simply different. Jun Fan and Wing Chun are similar in some respects, but if they are not meant to be the same. I constantly see the argument that if Bruce Lee had learned the whole wing chun program that we never would have left. While I can't refute this, indeed nobody can, it doesn't seem likely. Most of what Bruce Lee did with Jun Fan and later with JKD was add long and middle range skills along with some grappling for close quarters. In other words, the wing chun was modified, added to and in some instances stripped away. As far as whether or not siu lim tao is essential to JKD, or chi sao for that matter, I would say no. Being able to properly do tan sao, fook sao and boang sao with the correct pressure doesn't necessarily entail learning the particular sequence of the siu lim tao form. In other words, I don't need to learn the alphabet in that particular sequence in order to spell or to learn proper syntax.
Cthulhu said:Sometimes, and this is my personal opinion, I think Bruce Lee didn't have a problem with forms, per se, but with the way many martial artists of his era viewed forms as the 'be all, end all' of martial arts and combat